It's time, let's see those SPS tanks using LEDs 1 year or longer

[JaneG]

Oh yeah... I ran both of Eshan's images thrgouh pskiller.com to check for photshopping tags... they both came back positive for photoshop tags. I cropped my pictures in photoshop that I posted above and tested one... no photoshop tag... interesting.

facepalm.

 

[MedRed]

not sure why that picture is showing that. I removed all modifications in lightroom and exported.

I'm linking this so it doesn't blow out the page. Everything is default other than the crop which can be seen at the bottom left. I'm importing a clean copy from the camera along with 130 other pics so it's going to take awhile. Running to Vivid so I'll be able to repost after.

http://i50.tinypic.com/fejsoy.jpg

 

[JaneG]

not sure why that picture is showing that. I removed all modifications in lightroom and exported.

I'm linking this so it doesn't blow out the page. Everything is default other than the crop which can be seen at the bottom left. I'm importing a clean copy from the camera along with 130 other pics so it's going to take awhile. Running to Vivid so I'll be able to repost after.

http://i50.tinypic.com/fejsoy.jpg

Yes, but that picture proves one of two things: either that you photoshopped your images or pskiller is an invalid source and has absolutely no place in making any sort of argument.

 

[nepenthes99]

MedRed, I think you are WAY overreacting about this. I am new to the hobby so I should probably keep quiet, but I have seen some beautiful and healthy sps tanks with LEDs. I use T5s only because they are less expensive, but I have no doubts that LEDs can grow corals just as well. Just because the photos look good does not mean that they are photoshopped, and I think it is extremely inconsiderate and childish to go to such measures as actually testing if they are photoshopped and arrogantly questioning the knowledge of a fellow reefer who probably has a lot more experience with LEDs than you. I think Mo knows what he is talking about and I recommend that you both setle down and discus this in a more civilized manner.

 

[MedRed]

Yes, but that picture proves one of two things: either that you photoshopped your images or pskiller is an invalid source and has absolutely no place in making any sort of argument.

We'll see what the clean copy of the pics shows... granted it could be the same scenario. The pics I posted in this thread before were adjusted. The entire point of me going through the trouble of looking up dates, pulling all ajdustments off, and uploading was to show a comparison that was as clean as possible. Has anyone even asked Ehsan if his pictures have been modified at all... and his pictures definitely don't help the LED camp since one appears to be under full spectrum LED and the other under Blue+ and Purple+ equivalent T5's.

 

[nepenthes99]

@Med,
If you dont like LEDs dont look at this thread. Live and let live, criticizing the beliefs of other reefers will not get you anywhere.

 

[MedRed]

MedRed, I think you are WAY overreacting about this. I am new to the hobby so I should probably keep quiet, but I have seen some beautiful and healthy sps tanks with LEDs. I use T5s only because they are less expensive, but I have no doubts that LEDs can grow corals just as well. Just because the photos look good does not mean that they are photoshopped, and I think it is extremely inconsiderate and childish to go to such measures as actually testing if they are photoshopped and arrogantly questioning the knowledge of a fellow reefer who probably has a lot more experience with LEDs than you. I think Mo knows what he is talking about and I recommend that you both setle down and discus this in a more civilized manner.

Pics of said tanks please. I've seen tanks that look nice under LEDs when they are smurf blue. The florescence. When I had Radions, I thought my tank looked "nice", but it was still missing "something." This debate is pointing out that even a "nice" LED tank is still lacking compared to what it would look like under traditional lighting.

Your values are your own. I'm approaching this for the facts and evidence. Mo doesn't even have LEDs nor does it seem like he has had the experience with LEDs. He's like the car guys that get their knowledge while reading magazines on the toilet looking at pictures and specs from afar.

I have yet to see someone regret going from LED to traditional lighting but I've seen a whole host of people start out or switch to LED and are unhappy with their choice and either to switch or wish they could.

 

[nepenthes99]

Still, does it affect you in any way?

 

[JaneG]

We'll see what the clean copy of the pics shows... granted it could be the same scenario. The pics I posted in this thread before were adjusted. The entire point of me going through the trouble of looking up dates, pulling all ajdustments off, and uploading was to show a comparison that was as clean as possible. Has anyone even asked Ehsan if his pictures have been modified at all... and his pictures definitely don't help the LED camp since one appears to be under full spectrum LED and the other under Blue+ and Purple+ equivalent T5's.

First, it shouldn't matter if it's in lightroom or not - that's not proof of clean copy (and as far as I know, there is no way to show proof of clean copy). Next, it doesn't matter what it would show on pskiller - if it runs that you shopped it, then it proves the site doesn't work or your image was adjustred. Period.

In lieu of that:

You can tell it's the image from lightbox (and not the one you posted earlier) because your red zoanthids in the center are actually showing as brown.

Also, you're taking this a bit too seriously - asking if he modified his photos. What do you honestly think his answer to that would be? "Oh yes, I editted my photos because LEDs don't work." With this argument, all the "superior" MH/T5 tanks you have referred to could be shopped. :lmao: And LED users are the ones pulling at straws.

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Your values are your own. I'm approaching this for the facts and evidence. Mo doesn't even have LEDs nor does it seem like he has had the experience with LEDs. He's like the car guys that get their knowledge while reading magazines on the toilet looking at pictures and specs from afar.

Also, seriously? You really need to calm down or actually read what Mo has been saying. He said verbatim:

I've had LED's for over a year. Pacific Sun. I run them over my smaller tank, which I keep adding frags to and moving pieces out. A purple stylo went from a 1/2" frag to a full colony in about 5 months. Maybe I'm adding the wrong corals, but I've not had any major issues.

 

[reefsahoy]

You guys are amazing! 13 pages and going strong.

 

[Moser]

Wow!, Hang on, let's not get too personal!.

I just want somebody to say "Dave is lying". Is that what you are all saying?. I don't wish to paraphrase, I just want somebody to stand up and say it, because I didn't see any evidence to support that.

Also, be careful who you call dense. You don't know what I do or what my level of intelligence is. However, you might get a surprise!.

Mo

I sent you a PM. Is this a threat? Talk about getting too personal....

Nice try to switch the issue over to me, but how can you possibly, even remotely misconstrue any of what I said as a threat?. No, I was suggesting that you don't call my intelligence into question because you can't possibly know my level of intelligence. My occupation demands a certain level to begin with. That is what I was referring to.

However, I'd prefer not to make this personal. There is no reason for it to be.

Please let's get back to the topic in hand.

Folks, sorry for the intermission.

Mo

 

[MedRed]

facepalm.

First, it shouldn't matter if it's in lightroom or not - that's not proof of clean copy (and as far as I know, there is no way to show proof of clean copy). Next, it doesn't matter what it would show on pskiller - if it runs that you shopped it, then it proves the site doesn't work or your image was adjustred. Period.

In lieu of that:

You can tell it's the image from lightbox (and not the one you posted earlier) because your red zoanthids in the center are actually showing as brown.

Also, you're taking this a bit too seriously - asking if he modified his photos. What do you honestly think his answer to that would be? "Oh yes, I editted my photos because LEDs don't work." With this argument, all the "superior" MH/T5 tanks you have referred to could be shopped. :lmao: And LED users are the ones pulling at straws.

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Also, seriously? You really need to calm down or actually read what Mo has been saying. He said verbatim:

wait... the pic you originally posted was the color adjusted pic. I didn't realize that. The latest string of pics were all the original pics that were unmodified. I posted those for purpose of removing the difference of color correction with the original string of pics.


Here's a clean copy. This shows EXIF manipulation because the file is resized, but there are no photoshop tags. no crop, no rotate, no color change.

I may have missed that with MO. I apologize for my statement and take it back. I'd definitely like to see pics of said frag tank and what the frags look like that have been under LED for a time vs the same pieces under MH and/or T5 for a time.

And most people do post photos with post work done. That is not something deplorable unless the colors are really blown out. You can see with my original string of pics with post work on both sets of LEDs vs MH+T5 that the MH still looks better and that LEDs will require more post work to still not look as good.

I really do have to run to Vivid. I may not be back until after a movie I'm going to. It still remains that corals look better under traditional lighting than they do under LEDs. As many lawyer tactics have been used to take the focus away from that point, it's still the reality.

 

[Moser]

60 gallons is not a nano. And I know what you're trying to say, but it doesn't fly. SPS look more colorful in top down views, but in these pictures you can still see the tops of the corals and the coral polyps. I've been around the block long enough to know that there isn't some sort of magical transformation regardless of tank size like when looking at a clam.

If we were seeing the dark side or underside of the coral like the pictures of my tank, I'd nod my head. What you are proposing is patently false. I can buy the difference being attributed to white balance, a different Kelvin rating, a different intensity, and a different Kelvin.

In regards to the tank you posted... it's a Zeovit, and usually traditionally lit zeovit tanks look like candyland and this tank is another muted tank. You posted another example of LEDs not producing the color results of traditional lighting.

Look, the effect of different viewing angles is absolutely true. It is my tank we are talking about!!!. I see this every day. It measures 6ftx8ftx3ft and several of my colonies do exactly that when they are several feet away. I just can't fathom how you keep on arguing with no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims.

I showed you photos from my own MH/T5 tank to prove it happens and that is what happened in Ehsan's tank, yet you continue to argue the point.

Now you know Ehsan's shots are from 2 different cameras, care to comment on that without glossing over the point again?

Thanks
Mo

 

[Jaysreefworld]

I have yet to see someone regret going from LED to traditional lighting but I've seen a whole host of people start out or switch to LED and are unhappy with their choice and either to switch or wish they could.

This was my whole point, I don't doubt that Leds can grow and color acros and MedRed is saying the same thing. But compared to traditional lighting they are not equal. I dont see how this went from everyone trying to prove their arguments, to now everyone is saying MedRed is taking this to serious because he is proving his points.

 

[Moser]

Oops

 

[JaneG]

wait... the pic you originally posted was the color adjusted pic. I didn't realize that. The latest string of pics were all the original pics that were unmodified. I posted those for purpose of removing the difference of color correction with the original string of pics.


Here's a clean copy. This shows EXIF manipulation because the file is resized, but there are no photoshop tags. no crop, no rotate, no color change.

I may have missed that with MO. I apologize for my statement and take it back. I'd definitely like to see pics of said frag tank and what the frags look like that have been under LED for a time vs the same pieces under MH and/or T5 for a time.

Yes, I'm well aware of that and already ran it if you reread carefully:

Pskiller doesn't work. As I said, you can tell the difference because the "red" zoas (center) from the editted pic are showing as brown in your uneditted pic.

And most people do post photos with post work done. That is not something deplorable unless the colors are really blown out. You can see with my original string of pics with post work on both sets of LEDs vs MH+T5 that the MH still looks better and that LEDs will require more post work to still not look as good.

Yes, but if you saw a nice LED pic, you'd say they did a lot of post work - much like what you're trying to do with Ehsan's tank.

 

[Moser]

So is this pic LED or MH and T5?

I love this one.
Are you confused?!. Not sure which it is?. Can't tell the difference?.
Not sure whether to praise it or blast it?!.....

I can rest my case. :lolspin:

Thanks All. Have a nice day.

Mo

 

[Moser]

Mo doesn't even have LEDs nor does it seem like he has had the experience with LEDs. He's like the car guys that get their knowledge while reading magazines on the toilet looking at pictures and specs from afar.

Ooh!. Getting personal again.

I have had TMC LED strips about 5 years ago.
I had first generation Aquaillumination led's about 3 years ago.
I have had Pacific Sun 200W Anniversary edition led's over my smaller tank (8ft) for, probably 15+ months.

I have had more experience than most with LED's.

I don't read car magazines..... anymore! :lol2:

Mo

 

[jdm1114]

lol this is an entertaining thread

 

[Ancelot]

lol, am i missing something?

oh man guys, leds vs traditional lighting is like apple vs orange. live and let live. time will tell everything. If you don't like what you are reading, dont read this thread srsly.

life is too short why bother getting embroiled in petty (imo) quarrels? >.>