Ivan's terribly slow 225 build

Following along...... 6 holes in the back? 4 for overflow and 2 for returns? Exactly where ( distance from the top of the tank and the top of the trim) is the center of the drilled holes? What size holes , used for what size and type bulkheads?

Sorry for the detailed questions - but I am planning a similar type of build soon. I cant get my head around where to have the manufacturer drill the holes and how large the holes need to be , how many holes I should have them drill, and what type of bulkhead ( schedule 40 vs 80 - and they need different size holes) to use between the internal overflow box and the external overflow box??
 
Went to see this setup today- very nice carpentry work Ivan. It going to be P-U-R-D-Y when its done. Gave me great insight on what I am going to do - thank you Ivan....
 
Tank Details

Tank Details

Several have asked about the quality of tanks from this Custom Aquariums. As I said earlier in this thread, this is my first big tank so I'm not a good judge of quality. Instead, I snapped a few pictures and I'll let you judge for yourself.

First, some have asked about rivets in the frame. My frame does not have rivets. The crossmembers in top frame are bolted in as you can see below.

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Will these bolts be a problem? I have no idea. I assume at some point they will start to corrode. At that time, I'll either replace them with new or weld the crossmembers to the frame.

Silicone. First, let me say that I chose clear silicone and now wish I hadn't. I think the black would look better. Second, I think they use a lot of silicone. You can judge for yourself from the pictures. Also, as you can see the edges aren't perfectly straight. Hopefully, I'll have such an amazing tank that no one will notice the silicone. :thumbsup:

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Overall, I'm happy with the tank. It was a lot cheaper than the other quotes I got and the quality is on par with what I expected.

If you want more pictures, just let me know exactly what you're looking for and I'll snap a few.

-Ivan
 
OK, I've received some questions about the overflow holes and the design of the overflow boxes. I spent quite a bit of time researching this and did a bunch of calculations, some of which may be wrong so please check my math.

Let's start with bulkhead size, since everything else is sized off of the holes in the tank. I plan to flow ~1,000 gallons per hour through my sump (about the middle of the 3-5 times tank volume many recommend). Gallons, per hour isn't a good way to size a bulkhead so I did some converting:

(1,000 gal/hr) * (231 in^3/gal) * (1 hr/3600 sec) = 64.1 in^3/sec.

So, I'm flowing 64 cubic inches of water per second. Calculating the area of the holes, allows me to determine how fast the water will be flowing in the overflow. I don't know the inside diameter of the bulkhead, but it should be close to the outside diameter of the pipe. A 1-1/2" PVC pipe has a nominal outside diameter of 1.900". The area of that pipe would be:

(1.900"/2)^2 * 3.14 = 2.83 in^2

Based on everything I read, you really want the waterline to be approximately half way up the bulkheads. This will allow the two boxes to act as a single body (no water height difference between them). So, we can use the .864 dimension for 2 pipes filled halfway.

So, now we can calculate how quickly the water will be moving. With 2 holes:

(64.1 in^3/sec) / (1/2.83 in^2) = 22.65 in/sec

To me, this is much easier to visualize than gallons per hour or some other complicated measure. Just lay a ruler down and imagine water going 22" in a second.

With 4 holes, it would be 11.3 in/sec.
With 6 holes, it works out to 7.5 in/sec.

I consider these to be minimum velocities, since I don't actually know the inner diameter of the bulkhead. I had to goals when picking the number of holes. First, I wanted it to be silent. That means slow flow. However, if the water flows too slow, the detritus sinks and could build up in the overflow. I'm not a fan of extra tank maintenance so I wanted to avoid this. To my completely untrained visual image, I imagine that 7.5 in/sec is just fast enough to keep the detritus suspended without being to noisy.

You can do similar calculations with different bulkhead sizes. Using a smaller bulkhead would require more holes to achieve the same flow at the same water velocity. You could use bigger bulkheads, but that requires bigger holes. For safety, you need to keep holes away from the edges, so that means bigger holes need to be drilled lower. This affect box height and how far the water falls into the inner box as discussed below. Also remember that the bulkheads are holding the boxes in place (especially the outer box), so more bulkheads may be better. You can space the through holes however you want. I chose not to put any right in the center, since that is where my siphon pipe will be. I didn't want the flow to all go through the center hole and end up with deadspots in my overflow box, again to avoid accumulating detritus.

Let's move to the inner box now. My box will be 42"x3" and 5.5" tall. The size of this box was driven by my choice of bulkheads. According to the BRS website, a 1-1/2" slip/slip bulkhead is 2.87" long (dimension B on their picture), has a diameter of 3.38" (dimension A), and requires a 60mm hole. The box is 2.75" on the inside (3" deep minus 1/4" for acrylic thickness), which is slightly less than the bulkhead, but I will be able to angle it into place.

The height of the inner box depends on two things - the bulkhead size and the distance to the top of the tank. We'll start with the the bulkhead size. Since the bulkhead has a diameter of 3.38", I need at least 1.69" (3.38/2) from the center of the hole to the bottom of the box. I didn't want to push it, so I made this dimension 2.5" (don't forget you lose 1/4" for acrylic thickness). You could install the bulkhead backwards and make this dimension smaller, but then you have to tighten the nut inside the little box. Since I have big hands, I chose save myself some frustration and didn't go that route.

The top half of the inner box is driven by your tank height and desired water level. Because my tank has a rim the calculations were a little more involved. The box need to have at least 1.69" above the hole centerline to cover the bulkhead diameter. Again, I can round this to 2.5" to give myself a little room. However, that would mean that the through holes would be less than one diameter from the edge of the tank. To be safe, the centerline of the hole should be 1.5 diameters from the edge. This ensures that the top edge of the hole is at least one hole diameter from the glass edge. A 60mm hole is ~2.36". 2.36*1.5 = 3.54" So, I had my holes drilled 3.5" from the top of the tank. My box will have a lid and has a rim which is slightly lower than the top of the glass, so I made the box 3" tall above the hole centerline. Thus, the inner box is 2.5" + 3" = 5.5" tall.

Waterline in the tank is determined by your weir height. My box won't have teeth, but that doesn't really affect the calculations for water height much. My rim extends down about 1-1/4" when measured inside the tank. Subtracting 1/2" for the box lid and a little gap, leaves 3/4". This is the height I selected for the bottom of the slot in my box. The actual waterline should be ~1/4" above this (your number will vary based on length of overflow, return volume, etc. but I think 1/4" is a reasonable number for most) but cannot be lower than this. Setting the bottom of the slot approximately even with the rim will allow for some water rise during start-up or other off-nominal situations. It also minimizes the distance water falls into the inner box. In my case, the distance can be calculated as follows:

3.5" (box waterline to top of tank) - 1-1/4" (approximate distance from top of glass to tank waterline) = 2.25". The only way to reduce this height is to use smaller bulkheads, but you would have to go really small to make a significant difference. 1" bulkheads require a 45mm hole per BRS, so that would reduce the number by approximately 0.6".

OK, so if you're still following along with this math lesson we have a box height of 5.5", depth of 3", holes 3.5" from the top of the tank, and the waterline set slightly above the bottom of the trim. Let's look at length. I couldn't do a full coast to coast because I'm planning to run Sea Swirls in the back corners. So, I went with a 42" overflow. The tank is 72" long so that will leave about 15" on each end for the Sea Swirls. It also means that the overflow is closer to the back corners than it is to the front of the tank (about 27"). I hope this will prevent any deadspots from forming in the back corners. Since the Sea Swirls will be pushing water towards the front of the tank, I don't think I'll have any deadspots there.

Now that the inner box is sized, let's move to the outer box. First, I wanted the outer box to be positioned lower than the inner box. This would ensure that floods occur in the fish room and not in my basement. Second, there really is no limit to the sizes on the outer box in my case. However, making it too big would stress the bulkheads and I would have to add some support. I chose to make this box 6" deep and 7" tall. That should give me plenty of room for plumbing without adding too much stress to the bulkheads. The outermost holes in my tank are 29" center to center. Add 3.38" for the bulkheads and you get 32.38". So, I made this box 36" to give myself some room (again don't forget to subtract for acrylic thickness).

So that's it. Six 60mm holes 3.5" from the top of the glass, a 42"x3"x5.5" inner box and a 36"x6"x7" outer box. If any of my math is wrong or you have questions, please let me know. I hope somebody finds this helpful. It took a while for me to research everything and figure out how I wanted the holes in my tank. It's one of those things where you only get one chance at it, unless you want to drill it yourself.

In case you are wondering, my overflow boxes are being made by David Bombara at Acrylic Creations. He's somewhat local to me and seems to have good reviews. He's been awesome to work with so far. He called me the other day just to discuss what I was doing and suggested a couple of minor improvements. He didn't just make what I ordered and let me deal with it when it was wrong, and I really appreciate that.

-Ivan
 
Several have asked about the quality of tanks from this Custom Aquariums. As I said earlier in this thread, this is my first big tank so I'm not a good judge of quality. Instead, I snapped a few pictures and I'll let you judge for yourself.
Thanks for the pictures, it does give a good view of what's going on.

First, some have asked about rivets in the frame. My frame does not have rivets. The crossmembers in top frame are bolted in as you can see below.
Rivets or bolts the concern is the strength of the cross beams, instead of the tensile strength of the aluminum you instead have to worry about the sheer strength of the bolts. If there are enough of those guys for any given span, it shouldn't be TOO much of an issue, especially on a shorter tank (for their taller tanks I might start to worry) but it really is one of those things of "why hasn't anyone else done it that way?" type of questions that makes me think there's a reason why.


Will these bolts be a problem? I have no idea. I assume at some point they will start to corrode. At that time, I'll either replace them with new or weld the crossmembers to the frame.
Replacing them might be an interesting option, something that seems doable as compared to a broken cross brace (acrylic/plastic/glass) where replacing isn't as easy. I'm curious if the bolts and nuts are also anondized aluminum, stainless steel could be a useful replacement too, then just gunk it up with silicone. Although I wouldn't want to weld the aluminum together while it's still on the tank :D

Are the corners welded though? Or is each linear piece in some way bolted together?

Silicone. First, let me say that I chose clear silicone and now wish I hadn't. I think the black would look better. Second, I think they use a lot of silicone. You can judge for yourself from the pictures. Also, as you can see the edges aren't perfectly straight. Hopefully, I'll have such an amazing tank that no one will notice the silicone. :thumbsup:
Yup, the thing is clear silicone isn't... it's cloudy white. Black would make much more of a sharp outline, but like you said, have an amazing tank and no one is going to be staring at the silicone at the edges :D

So far I can start to see how they crank out these for the price they do, they really aren't so much custom as they are modular, there are fixed sizes for each direction, i.e. their prices don't reflect a 28" tall tank, and their framing seems modular as well. All in all, I'm not yet dissuaded from getting a tank from them though, that price is fairly hard to pass up... plus the "free" shipping is also a huge wad of cash that stays in your pocket.

That said, your construction skills look fabulous, and I'm sure this project is going to be a work of art when you're finished.
 
Wow! Sweet

That said, your construction skills look fabulous, and I'm sure this project is going to be a work of art when you're finished.

Thanks. I hope when it's finished it looks as good as the picture I have in my head.

Are the corners welded though? Or is each linear piece in some way bolted together?

To me, they appear to be welded but I honestly can't say for sure. Since the top of the tank is wrapped in cling wrap, I can't get a good picture and it's hard to see exactly what's going on without sticking your head in the tank. The frame has corner pieces, but from the outside I can't see how they are held in place. I definitely didn't see any bolts sticking down through, but couldn't see where it was welded either. If you could get in touch with Custom Aquariums, they would probably explain it all to you.

Progress update for this week - I decided to skip hanging the door. I'll do that when someone is here helping me. I'm still making a ton of dust in my garage, so I couldn't stain the door anyway. Plus, the temperatures dropped and it's been snowing :hmm4:. Instead I put about 3/4 of the ceiling back up. When I started this project, I had a hard time getting everything exactly where I wanted it. When my house was built, they didn't do a very good job of making sure everything was square/plumb. So, I didn't have very many good reference points to work from and putting the tank on a 45 degree angle to the rest of the room complicated matters. Now that the ceiling is going in and because it is essentially a bunch of parallel lines, I can see where I was off by a degree or two in some places. Nothing major, and you can't tell unless you break out a tape measure but it's off a little. One exception to that was the door frame that I put in. It shifted when I was screwing it in place. I knew it shifted but didn't notice until tonight how far it had moved. When I put the ceiling in, it was clear that the door wasn't going to be square to the wall.

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I doubt too many people will be looking at the ceiling as they go through the doorway, but I couldn't leave it like that. Plus it seemed like an easy thing to fix. So, I started removing the screws. Of course, one couldn't be removed. I don't own a Sawzall, so I had to cut it with a hacksaw. Before anyone asks, no I'm not against buying new tools and this would have been a great opportunity. The problem is I love cutting stuff with a Sawzall. When I was a teenager, I would walk around with one and cut stuff up for no particular reason. To me, there's just something fun about using one. Since I like my stuff in one piece, I've resisted the urge to buy one. OK enough with that detour, so I finally cut through the screw and grabbed my big hammer. To my dismay, the wall wasn't really moving. Basically, I've cut everything to fit and I"m building this room around my tank. Because it was made to fit tightly the wall was too long to move the 1-1.5" needed to make it square. So out came the hacksaw again. I had to trim 1/8" off so that it could slide into place. It sounds easier than it was for some reason, but after about 1.5 hours I finally had the wall where I wanted it and the gap is much better now.

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I should be able to wrap up the ceiling this week and then move on to drywall.

-Ivan
 
Well the ceiling is finally back up.

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Also, I picked up my overflow.

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Excuse the dust, I didn't bother cleaning it before the pictures. I have to say I was really happy with the workmanship on the overflow. I didn't expect all of the outside corners to be rounded. I didn't have the overflows drilled. I'm going to drill the boxes so that they match the tank (hopefully perfectly). I've got some bulkheads and hole saws on order, so it will be a few days before they are mounted.

Finally, I decided to go ahead and put a blind along the front of the tank. I ordered it today, so it will be here in a week or so. Once it arrives, I'll finish the framing and drywall above the tank. I really wanted to put blinds on all 3 visible sides, but that was just too expensive. Actually, the blinds aren't that expensive but motorization/automation adds quite a bit. Regardless, I'm hoping the blind covering the front of the tank is enough to keep most of the light out when the room lights are left on.

If anyone has a suggestion for drilling acrylic, I'd love to hear it.

-Ivan
 
Everything is looking great so far. My suggestion for drilling your overflow boxes and the tank would be to make yourself a good template out of 1/2 mdf so that you can be sure everything is in the same exact location for all three parts that need to be drilled. I would lay it all out and then use double sided tape to attach it to drill your holes. One thing is that you notch the top of the mdf so that when placed on the tank, it will sit on the top of the trim and still be flat on the glass. For the acrylic you can probably get away with drilling all the holes with the template in place but on the tank you will probably not be able to. I would attach it in place and drill just enough at each hole to mark the glass so the bit will have a channel to line up with. Then remove the template and you will be able to use water to lubricate the bit while you drill thru the rest of the way on all the holes. Doing it this way will ensure perfect whole alignment for all the pieces.

Good luck

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Still following Ivan - I am no expert but I was told that drilling acrylic is pretty easy.

Lreed983 - With the tank already drilled, see pics. I am not sure you need the MDF template because you are only drilling acrylic.

I would just tape a piece of cardboard to the tank (either side of the rear panel of the tank) and align it to the top of the trim and then use a pen to draw the outline of the holes onto the cardboard. Cut the holes out of the cardboard- making a template for drilling the holes in the overflow boxes. Then tape the cardboard to the overflow boxes aligning it appropriately and securing the overflow box so it cant move. And then using a regular hole saw that you use for making a hole in wood = place drill head in the hole of the card board that you had cut put previously and drill the holes in the acrylic. Repeat for the other overflow box.

I hope someone who has experience with drilling holes in acrylic chimes in.
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I have a lot of plywood scraps in the garage, so I made a template out of a 1/4" thick piece. I'm glad that I did, because it turns out the hole saw I bought is just a tad too small. I could get the overflow in the hole, but there is zero clearance. If anything was off by even a millimeter, it wouldn't fit. I decided to punt, and order another hole saw from Amazon.

Since I wasn't messing with the overflow, I got some more of the drywall done. First, I installed the insulation.

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What a terrible job. I always end up with it all over me. So, after a shower I got some drywall up.

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In all, it's been a pretty productive weekend. Hopefully, the blind for the front of the tank will be here this week. Once I install it, I can finish everything above the tank. Then my room will actually be a room.

-Ivan
 
We definitely need an update!

Sorry, I am definitely overdue for an update. I haven't made much progress. The blind and tiles were on back-order, and I've been SUPER busy. In addition to family commitments, I decided to start consulting (in addition to my full-time job). Hopefully, the consulting gig takes off so that I can buy more aquarium goodies. :D

I actually just received the blinds and tile last week. I'll have the blind installation done soon. I'll be sure and post a better update once I get some work done.

- Ivan
 
Nice build thread. I am considering a tank built by CA myself, and have a question for you with respect to the Sea Swirls. How do you plan on attaching them to the tank - using the standard frame clamps? Are there any special considerations for this?
 
I'm overdue for an update, so here goes.

I finally finished installing the drywall, which means I was able to mount the blind that covers the front of the tank.

Here's a short video of the blind.

Basically, I built the wall around the blind. Here's a picture showing the install from below.

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The wire that you see is the antenna for the remote. I painted the pocket where the blind sits black before I installed the final piece of drywall on the front, so it isn't really noticeable. The bottom stop point may need to be adjusted slightly, but I'll worry about that once the tiles are installed in front of the tank. The blind controller includes a timer. Once the tank is running, the blind will automatically lower itself about the time the lights go out and raise back up in the morning. This was important for me, since my basement gets a lot of foot traffic in the evenings and early mornings and the room lights are on/off quite a bit. The remote lets me raise/lower the blind at any time. I can also look through one of the side panels. If anyone in the Pittsburgh area is looking for something similar (or just blinds in general), give Michelle or Chris at Gotcha Covered a call. They will work with you to make sure you get exactly what you want and make certain that everything fits perfectly.

Once I finish mudding the walls and have them painted (I HATE painting), I'll be able to finally get the fish room in order. I picked up some free kitchen cabinets that I'll be using for storage. I gave them a coat of white paint that was left over from a different project, so they are ready to be installed. I also picked up a couple of 65 gallon water tanks from a local supplier (Dean's Water in Washington, PA). They had prices comparable to what I could find online, but I didn't have to pay shipping. I'll probably build a small platform for the tanks to sit on. I couldn't find a small utility sink with legs locally, so I got one from Amazon. With the sink, tanks, and a couple of cabinets in place, the room is pretty full. There isn't a lot of extra room, but I don't think it will be cramped either.

I can't wait to get the room finished. That will let me move all of my fish stuff out of my basement/garage and into one place. I may even move my 20 gallon tank in there, but I'm still debating that one. I'll probably wait until Black Friday to order the rest of the equipment I need (primarily lights and return pump). In the mean time, I'll order the skimmer and get the plumbing ready to go. With my busy summer schedule, I'll be lucky to have the plumbing completed by Thanksgiving.
 
Nice build thread. I am considering a tank built by CA myself, and have a question for you with respect to the Sea Swirls. How do you plan on attaching them to the tank - using the standard frame clamps? Are there any special considerations for this?

I bought my Sea Swirls used, and they didn't come with mounts. I'll probably build something similar to the factory clamps, but I'm not entirely sure at this point. Once I get the plumbing started, I'll have a much better idea of how I want to mount them.

Ivan
 
Ha - that is great!! And the reason you did this is because you don't want to startle/freak out the fish at night when turning on the lights in the room - correct?
 
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