'jap' as a reference

[redFishblue]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8469836#post8469836 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by soni
If you keep crying about the word jap or wetback or nip or god forbid the socially acceptable term "whitey or cracker" you just propetuate the cycle. One of these days you will realize that if you don't acknowledge people who use those terms it will go away. It's like giving into your 3 yr old at the store, and buying him something to make him stop crying.

Have a little be higher moral ground and get over it.

Its funny you're telling the people who are the reciepient of racial slurs to get over it instead of telling the people saying it to knock it off.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8469836#post8469836 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by soni
You can be african, you can be european, you can be korean you can be mexican and you can be AMERICAN. Everyone get off your color bandwagon. The day you stop seeing color and start seeing people, will make you a better person.

Man, this country would benefit so much if everyone adopted this mentality.
I probably wish this more than most white people on this forum. I have been welcomed to this country and complimented on my perfect english more times than I care to count. The people who did that were nice people but they just assumed from my non white or black appearance that I must be new to the country. Too bad I don't look it to some people but I feel as American as apple pie!



Btw The hyphenated American designation like African/American or Japanese/American does not seem that popular with some people here. While I never called myself anything but American, I would like to tell those who stated their opposition to those words that "you people should just ignore it" and to "get over it". I'm just kidding .
I know the main opposition to those hypenation is not just the word but the sense that what they are really saying is that their allegiance is to their mother country as well as America. That part of the reason why I don't like the word Jap. It is making the insinuation that that "Japanese" American is not a real American.

 

[redFishblue]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8469836#post8469836 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by soni
If you keep crying about the word jap or wetback or nip or god forbid the socially acceptable term "whitey or cracker" you just propetuate the cycle. One of these days you will realize that if you don't acknowledge people who use those terms it will go away. It's like giving into your 3 yr old at the store, and buying him something to make him stop crying.

Have a little be higher moral ground and get over it.

Its funny you're telling the people who are the reciepient of racial slurs to get over it instead of telling the people saying it to knock it off.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8469836#post8469836 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by soni
You can be african, you can be european, you can be korean you can be mexican and you can be AMERICAN. Everyone get off your color bandwagon. The day you stop seeing color and start seeing people, will make you a better person.

Man, this country would benefit so much if everyone adopted this mentality.
I probably wish this more than most white people on this forum. I have been welcomed to this country and complimented on my perfect english more times than I care to count. The people who did that were nice people but they just assumed from my non white or black appearance that I must be new to the country. Too bad I don't look it to some people but I feel as American as apple pie!



Btw The hyphenated American designation like African/American or Japanese/American does not seem that popular with some people here. The gist of what some people are saying is that they should have the right to keep saying Jap and that people who don't like it should just get over it but that other people should stop using hypentated American because they don't like it. While I never called myself anything but American, I would like to tell those who stated their opposition to hypenated American names that "you people should just ignore it" and to "get over it". I'm just kidding .

I know the main opposition to those hypenation is not just the word but the sense that what they are really saying is that their allegiance is to their mother country as well as to America. That part of the reason why I don't like the word Jap. It is making the insinuation that "Japanese" Americans are not real American. I can stand a lot of insults but being told that I am not a real American is not one of them.

 

[smcnally]

Not to drag this out anymore, but I just heard something on the news that shocked even me. A local news woman was interviewing Duvall Patrick and actually asked him "How do you feel about certain people referring to you as an "Oreo"...Black on the outside, and white on the inside". His response was "Who cares, many of them say good things about me too"

Here's my take on this whole thread after reading it thoroughly...Yes, it is polite to be careful of what you say around people. I also believe you should be respectful to others. There are a lot of people that could work on their manners. But, I also believe that too many people in this country get way too easily offended. Those people should also make an effort to not take every comment they find disciminating or negative to heart. Expeting everyone to watch what they say around you is just as ignorant as saying the wrong thing in front of someone. In my opinion (and I know it is different than many others), protecting people from things that hurt them all the time makes them weak. Any time anything goes wrong in their life they will make a big production out of it. Let them hear and feel things that hurt them every now and then, and they will be strong people that can handle getting let down every now and then.

 

[dirtyreefer]

Flinger/Finger, the most unintelegent person I know :lol:

 

[ReefDoctorMicromussas]

OK so would someone end this Poly-Sci / social ethics debate... Hey watch this... Imagine coral on a reefers forum

HHHMmmmm "Non-indo" Acannnnnn ))

 

[Fliger]

Hah! Its hard to stay away when you're looking at pretty pictures of acans and this keeps popping up! I've always pretty much agreed with the Irish Guy McNally :lol: all along and that last paragraph was pretty much RIGHT ON and this thread should die. Anyone who buys Japanese imports reads this forum and has read this thread. But I do have to point out again that ...

"Those people should also make an effort to not take every comment they find disciminating or negative to heart."

People HERE have done exactly that. The words Jap Acan or Jap Lord or Jap Micro or Jap Brain has been thrown around MANY times and no one ever said anything to my knowledge. I was surprised but I have incredibly thick skin and knowing many other acan collectors are Asian I assume they do to. But this came up because it was ASKED and the discussion ensued. Sorry if I ever got out of line, but most of the discussion didn't even talk about THE QUESTION THE THREAD ASKED whether Jap was a racist term.

People will use what they want to use, but if they do it knowing it bothers other people, just to prove a point - there is name for those people. Plus like I said before the internet makes people really tough. I'd love to see someone have this conversation with my wife about the term Spic - short for Hispanic. :lol:

 

[jman77]

man this thread is still going on .... gosh ...

 

[tnyr5]

Oh for pete's sake this is ridiculous, this thread barely even has anything to do with lps, and, from what i can see, probably doesn't even belong in the lps forum.
I'm gay and i live in central PA, i GUARANTEE you that i've been on the wrong end of more slurs than the lot of you. Does that mean when i visit england i should punch out every guy who asks me if i could spare a f*g ( cigarette)? OF COURSE NOT. You're only entitled to EQUALITY in this country, seems lots of people lately confuse that with special treatment.
ARGH

 

[plandy]

So the tough guys among you seem to agree that they can take the best "punch" you can dish out and just shrug it off as a slight annoyance. While I do agree to this in spirit it does not change the fact that these "punches" are rude. Rudeness has no place in a civil society. That is if we were really civil but we are not :blown:

 

[jamielind]

i am sorry posting in this thread. i misunderstood the original post. i thought someone complained about the use of Jap. not that he was asking if anyone thought it was offensive.

 

[ReefDoctorMicromussas]

***** LOL

 

[Kigs]

I'm asian myself but I don't understand why the word "jap" even became an offensive word, or even someone who thought of this word to be used as an offensive word. It's like saying "afri" or "mexi" or whatever, taking the first few letters of the origin of an individual and going "hey, did i offend you. i shortened your origin"...

 

[smcnally]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8476305#post8476305 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kigs
I'm asian myself but I don't understand why the word "jap" even became an offensive word, or even someone who thought of this word to be used as an offensive word. It's like saying "afri" or "mexi" or whatever, taking the first few letters of the origin of an individual and going "hey, did i offend you. i shortened your origin"...

It's because of the when the term was widely used. That's how a lot of racial slurs were started. People used the terms in war, and they became offensive words because people were being called these words by people that either were their enemies, or people that looked down on them. There are plenty of racial slurs out there though that are clearly meant to make fun of or degrade the people they are aimed at.

 

[djmuzzi]

Do Acanthastrea get offended when we call them Lords?

Do Euphillia get offended when we call them the result of a frog's reproduction efforts?

The term is refering to geography like non-indo etc....

As far as coral goes, I feel the term Jap. indicates IMHO one of the most special & rare corals in the hobby. (and no by the term "special" I do not mean handicapped)

 

[THEPHISHGUY]

I skipped a page or two and this may have been said but then wouldnt "non-indo" be a derogatory term towards people from indonesia?

 

[THEPHISHGUY]

Guess I didnt have to look to far:rolleye1: Like one post up:bum:

 

[J. Montgomery]

Damn, I can't believe this is still going! I've resisted the urge to post until now.

I'd appreciate it if everyone quit using abbreviations and starting spelling and punctuating correctly . . . if what you have to say is not important enough to type completely then maybe it doesn't need to be said at all.

Could someone please delete this thread so we can move on.

 

[Cuervo]

I don't understand why someone would be offended at an abbreviation for the location of where a coral came from.

I read the whole thread, and I just don't get it. I absolutely understand where someone would be offended if that word were used as a slur, or an insult. That makes perfect sense, but in my 3 years of reading RC, I can honestly say that I have never ever, even once, seen a post of someone with the intent of insulting another person race, nationality, sexual preferrence, or even religion.

I must be missing the bus on this one.

 

[Fliger]

Since the person who started this thread has been "moved on" - can't a mod close it? Everything that could be said pretty much has been and people will do as they wish.

For the record, I did apologize to Donovan, musta just been a bad day for me.

 

[traveller7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8498433#post8498433 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fliger
Since the person who started this thread has been "moved on" - can't a mod close it?

Yes.