Jebao WP25 Information
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Details!! Build info please?!
Sacohen
New member
This is not my work someone else created it, I'm just re-posting it for others to use.
For Neptune Apex:
You will need:
A Reef Angel Jebao Cable. That's it. No need for the Jebao controller box anymore.
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or
0-10v analog input PWM module:
Search ebay for LED DIMMER PWM 10 A.12VDC-24 VDC; POT. or 0-10V control
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Cat5e ethernet cord
Wire nuts
or
Solder and heat shrink tubing
(optional) Solid core wires (or wires that can handle up to 6A) stevesleds.com has some.
Directions:
Unscrew the controller casing
24- is blue
24+ is reddish brown
VA is green yellow and remains untouched
Cut the blue and red wire about halfway down, so you have enough wire connected to the controller still, and some down the cord to the pump. You can also desolder the wires from the 24+ and 24- points, but this is more difficult.
Connect solid core wire to extend the wire length with wire nuts, solder, or some way to connect the wires securely. This makes it easier to work with.
The 0-10v PWM module terminals look like this -+ +-
The first left side -(blue) and +(red) go to the pump wires
The next right side +(red) -(blue) are the ones connected to the controller internals 24+ and 24- points
For the wire to connect to the apex VDM ports, you can buy the Neptune cable ~$15, or do the following.
Cut one end off a Cat 5e ethernet cord.
Keep the following wires:
orange/white wire (positive) - orange wire (negative)
blue/white wire (positive) - green wire (negative)
When plugged into the first VDM port, blue/white wire, green wire is V1, oranges are V2
Second port, blue white green is V3, oranges V4
On the 0-10v module for V1, connect blue/white to + on 0-10v control input terminal , green to - control.
Put the controller back together in a project box, do a really good job with electrical tape taping the loose box together, or fit it all inside somehow and screw back together.
Create profiles to control the pump. The original controller mode are kept, so you can use the Apex to set intensity.
The easiest profiles are ramping profiles throughout the day, like this:
Outlet - Base_Var1 (for V1)
Set PM-Else
If Time 07:00 to 10:00 Then AM-Else
If Time 10:01 to 21:00 Then Day-Else
If Time 21:01 to 23:00 Then PM-Else
If FeedA 000 Then Feed
(feed would be a profile to allow the feed mode)
Profile name: AM-Else
Control type: Ramp
Ramp time (minutes): 1
Start Intensity: 60
End Intensity: 60
(this makes the pump run at 60% power, but if you use the ELSE mode on the controller, it simulates reef crest mode on a vortech, but at 60% overall power)
A midday profile can be made to use a higher intensity, and the PM one can use a lower one.
This barely touches on what can be programmed. If you set the pump on H1 (full power), you can create your own wave mode, like this (borrowed from Kenargo's Tunze profiles)
Profile name: Day Rt
Type: pump
Minimum Intensity: 30
Maximum Intensity: 100
Sync: Enabled
Divide-by 10: Enabled
Initial off time: 4
On time: 8
Off time: 0
Profile name: Day Lt
Type: pump
Minimum Intensity: 30
Maximum Intensity: 100
Sync: Enabled
Divide-by 10: Enabled
Initial off time: 0
On time: 8
Off time: 4
(This creates a huge syncronized wave between two pumps)
You can also use the Weather profiles to control the pump. The Vortech profiles do not work.
For Neptune Apex:
You will need:
A Reef Angel Jebao Cable. That's it. No need for the Jebao controller box anymore.
------
or
0-10v analog input PWM module:
Search ebay for LED DIMMER PWM 10 A.12VDC-24 VDC; POT. or 0-10V control
-----------------
Cat5e ethernet cord
Wire nuts
or
Solder and heat shrink tubing
(optional) Solid core wires (or wires that can handle up to 6A) stevesleds.com has some.
Directions:
Unscrew the controller casing
24- is blue
24+ is reddish brown
VA is green yellow and remains untouched
Cut the blue and red wire about halfway down, so you have enough wire connected to the controller still, and some down the cord to the pump. You can also desolder the wires from the 24+ and 24- points, but this is more difficult.
Connect solid core wire to extend the wire length with wire nuts, solder, or some way to connect the wires securely. This makes it easier to work with.
The 0-10v PWM module terminals look like this -+ +-
The first left side -(blue) and +(red) go to the pump wires
The next right side +(red) -(blue) are the ones connected to the controller internals 24+ and 24- points
For the wire to connect to the apex VDM ports, you can buy the Neptune cable ~$15, or do the following.
Cut one end off a Cat 5e ethernet cord.
Keep the following wires:
orange/white wire (positive) - orange wire (negative)
blue/white wire (positive) - green wire (negative)
When plugged into the first VDM port, blue/white wire, green wire is V1, oranges are V2
Second port, blue white green is V3, oranges V4
On the 0-10v module for V1, connect blue/white to + on 0-10v control input terminal , green to - control.
Put the controller back together in a project box, do a really good job with electrical tape taping the loose box together, or fit it all inside somehow and screw back together.
Create profiles to control the pump. The original controller mode are kept, so you can use the Apex to set intensity.
The easiest profiles are ramping profiles throughout the day, like this:
Outlet - Base_Var1 (for V1)
Set PM-Else
If Time 07:00 to 10:00 Then AM-Else
If Time 10:01 to 21:00 Then Day-Else
If Time 21:01 to 23:00 Then PM-Else
If FeedA 000 Then Feed
(feed would be a profile to allow the feed mode)
Profile name: AM-Else
Control type: Ramp
Ramp time (minutes): 1
Start Intensity: 60
End Intensity: 60
(this makes the pump run at 60% power, but if you use the ELSE mode on the controller, it simulates reef crest mode on a vortech, but at 60% overall power)
A midday profile can be made to use a higher intensity, and the PM one can use a lower one.
This barely touches on what can be programmed. If you set the pump on H1 (full power), you can create your own wave mode, like this (borrowed from Kenargo's Tunze profiles)
Profile name: Day Rt
Type: pump
Minimum Intensity: 30
Maximum Intensity: 100
Sync: Enabled
Divide-by 10: Enabled
Initial off time: 4
On time: 8
Off time: 0
Profile name: Day Lt
Type: pump
Minimum Intensity: 30
Maximum Intensity: 100
Sync: Enabled
Divide-by 10: Enabled
Initial off time: 0
On time: 8
Off time: 4
(This creates a huge syncronized wave between two pumps)
You can also use the Weather profiles to control the pump. The Vortech profiles do not work.
Not pretty, but effective. I built a tiny board to house the resistors. Then soldered a female DC socket and a 3 pin waterproof socket for the pump, i did not have to do anything to the original pump or controller with this method.
Yeah that is basically the same as the Reef Angel cable. His is a little neater though and he is using a 10uF capacitor to smooth out the PWM signal I think.
Makes sense. Apex outputs 0-10V Analog, the resistors drop it to 0-5V Analog (what the Jebao likes as dimming signal). Since the apex is already using analog there is no need to smooth it.
It was my understanding that the jebao was controlled by a 5v pwm signal just like a computer fan.
I don't know anything about the reef angel but does it output 5v pwm or 10v pwm? if 10volt it would need the resistor network to reduce to 5 volt.
you could just as easily us an arduino to control the pump I should think. writing your own wave sketch.......
has anyone confirmed what happens if there is no pwm signal to the pump but it is supplied with 24v power? does it run full blast or not at all? if connected to an arduino does it behave like a computer fan not allowing it to go below 30% power even at 0% duty cycle?
I don't know anything about the reef angel but does it output 5v pwm or 10v pwm? if 10volt it would need the resistor network to reduce to 5 volt.
you could just as easily us an arduino to control the pump I should think. writing your own wave sketch.......
has anyone confirmed what happens if there is no pwm signal to the pump but it is supplied with 24v power? does it run full blast or not at all? if connected to an arduino does it behave like a computer fan not allowing it to go below 30% power even at 0% duty cycle?
txaggie09
New member
With no signal the pumps turn off. Other than that I cant help you, i dont have an arduino controller, just the Apex. The Apex puts out 10v but the RA cable has a board on it that cuts the voltage in half. Works great
FlyPenFly
SPS Killer
Question, are these correct?
H1: Highest speed variable mode
H2: Mid speed variable mode
H3: Lowest speed variable mode
S1: 100%
S2: 75%
S3: 50%
So H3 with S3 would be the best way to get the lowest speed out?
Will a light dimmer work for Else mode to get the max output lower?
H1: Highest speed variable mode
H2: Mid speed variable mode
H3: Lowest speed variable mode
S1: 100%
S2: 75%
S3: 50%
So H3 with S3 would be the best way to get the lowest speed out?
Will a light dimmer work for Else mode to get the max output lower?
SimonSKL
New member
S1S2S3 have no effect except in W1 mode. A dimmer can lower the output in all modes.
I am designing a battery backup for my WP25s. The thing that is stumping me is how to get the dimming signal wire to have say ~2V constant when it trips over to backup? I removed the existing controllers and use the apex to modulate the pump.
If I lose power the pump would be able to receive 12V from the batter to power it (1/2 normal voltage), but it would not have any dimming signal, rendering it useless. Ideas?
Edit: 3V wallwart plugged into UPS or something? I'm not sure where to start.
If I lose power the pump would be able to receive 12V from the batter to power it (1/2 normal voltage), but it would not have any dimming signal, rendering it useless. Ideas?
Edit: 3V wallwart plugged into UPS or something? I'm not sure where to start.
FlyPenFly
SPS Killer
Thanks.
I'm getting tired of this thing rearranging my tank even at the lowest setting. I might switch back to Vortechs which while I can't point at least I can set very low.
