Kalkwasser is unscientifically magical

brad

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I've been in this hobby 12 years. Over that time, my greatest success with Acropora has been when I was using kalkwasser only (no 2 part, no calcium reactor, etc). This seems to be the best indication of my success, regardless of actual calcium/alk parameters, and regardless of what lights I use, and regardless of how much flow I have in my tank.

In 2002, I had tremendous success with whatever Acropora I tried, when everyone was telling me not to try Acropora because I only had power compacts and no flow other than my return. My Calcium was around 300 (replacing all evaporation with fully saturated limewater and manually adding as much cloudy limewater as I could while keeping pH under 8.4). Growth was fantastic, and I was making money selling frags and even thinking seriously about earning a living doing it.

I moved around a lot until 2005 (no small feat with a 120 gallon). I lost most of my Acropora and blamed the moves, but by this time I was using lots of 2 part. I switched to a calcium reactor, halides, Tunze streams, a bigger tank, etc. My tanks had ups and downs, I never had the same phenomenal growth rate.

The cost of MH got to me (Ohio has very expensive power too) so I stopped adding SPS, eventually losing all of them. When LED came out, I realized I could 'blast' my tank with light cheaply, and tried SPS again. I had some real success, I remember an Oregon tort really taking off with growth (typically not the fastest grower) and awesome color. By this time, my Ca reactor had been shut down do to a pump malfunction and it not really being needed without SPS in the tank. Since I added SPS back, I was adding limewater again and measuring with the plan of adding the reactor back or using 2 part when levels dropped. My main concern with the tank at the time was Nitrate (60ppm) so Calcium got very little attention. I was also getting married, and doing a lot of home improvement projects to make the house nice for my wife.

Unfortunately, one home improvement project involved getting the electrical in the basement to code, and I quickly moved all my aquarium stuff to a different outlet, realized I wouldn't finish this project before the wedding, grabbed my tux and went away for 5 days. I came back to find the outlet I moved everything to was GFCI protected upstream, and it tripped, killing all my fish, anemones and most of my coral on my wedding night.

I have since moved the tank and done a 100% water change. Nitrate is low (water change + fewer fish to feed). I added a few SPS frags and a clam, and assumed I didn't even need to test Ca and Alk until I saw growth. Nothing grew. So I tested Ca and Alk and saw it was low, fixed it with 2 part, and still nothing grew.

Today I set up a kalkwasser drip, since that is the only variable I can correlate with success (except maybe HIGH nitrates). If this fixes my problem, everyone will tell me I just needed to wait for Acropora to adjust to more stable conditions. But I wonder if kalkwasser is somehow working much better than just keeping my testable Ca and Alk levels where they need to be. I know most tanks of the month, especially SPS heavy ones are using Ca reactors, but I wondered if anyone else here had experiences with kalkwasser similar to mine.
 
It offers both carbonate and calcium as well can helping to precipitate some phosphate. It is not really all that magical, but it does some cool stuff. Many have used it with about the same success as calcium reactors or other types of supplementation - perhaps I might suggest that you look elsewhere for your success?

For me, I have too high of a calcium and alk demand to drop limewater - it just cannot keep up. I imagine that you would have gotten there eventually.
 
It offers both carbonate and calcium as well can helping to precipitate some phosphate. It is not really all that magical, but it does some cool stuff. Many have used it with about the same success as calcium reactors or other types of supplementation - perhaps I might suggest that you look elsewhere for your success?

As my original post said, I tried just about everything and had by far the best success while using limewater. This does not imply causality or even correlation, it could be coincidence. But my success does seem to be linked more to limewater use than just measurable parameters.

For me, I have too high of a calcium and alk demand to drop limewater - it just cannot keep up. I imagine that you would have gotten there eventually.

If barely keeping 300ppm while dosing milk kalkwasser into pH 8.4 tank water isn't at the point were I can't keep up, I don't know what is.
 
I personally think that kalkwasser is a must for any low-nutrient reef tank, simply because of the ease-of-use. A kalk (Nilsen) reactor makes it all the easier.

Having said that, it's been my experience that no kalkwasser addition system can really keep up with the calcium and alkalinity demands of a stony coral tank. So some sort of supplementation must be used. I use 2-part (home-generated) to supplement the calcium and alkalinity levels in my tank at present, but will eventually go to a calcium reactor.
 
Depends on your evap rate. If its a lot and steady then a kalk top off can be enough by itself. Vinegar helps if your pushing it.
 
interesting observation...i like anecdotal evidence from experienced reefers like this. I too am like many others where kalkwasser cant keep up in my tank and I choose to supplement with 2 part, but I must say in the past I have had my tank with low calc and just kalkwasser through ato maintain decent growth. dont ask me how the corals grew at the low levels of calcium and alk, but as long as the alk was at least in the 6.5 ish range and the calc was in the 320+ range things grew. oh another thing on the tank that I had that this was successful, I also did 20% or larger water changes weekly. maybe that is why it worked...
 
I hate to say it but it seems to me that it was more coincidences then anything. It sounds like at one point you had a relatively stable tank and things grew then you moved around, had issues with excessive nutrients, and other tank related problems but keep going back to 1 thing as the cause of your success or failure. You should really be looking at the bigger picture. I've used kalk, 2 part BRS, 2 part bionic, calcium reactors, and simply doing a lot of water changes. What I added wasn't nearly as important as how, when, how stable my system was, and how good my husbandry was at the time.
 
Congrats on getting hitched. I also do not understand the point of your post, LOL!

The success of my tank, especially Acropora, has not correlated well with measurable parameters. The only thing I can correlate it with is kalkwasser use. As someone else pointed out, this easily could be coincidence, so I wondered if others had similar experiences.

The difference in growth before/after the crash is especially surprising for me - exact same equipment, better water parameters, growth went from good to none.
 
This is a discussion of witchcraft and voodoo :spin1: but I have remember having the best success, outrageous growth etc in my tank back when I ran a kalk reactor, didn't understand/care about testing my water and just flew by the seat of my pants by observing the tank - somewhere around 6-7 years ago. Used IO salt, didn't supplement anything but bio-calcium and used GFO about twice in 2 years. I grew things like crazy. The evaporation in was super high and the lighting had alot to do with what was going on in the tank for sure - 2 x 400w XM10K plus 2 x 110 VHO in a cheap spyder reflector. I grew a purple monti-cap about 20" in diameter. Used to hack of chunks regularly to fund the tank.

I still run a nielsen reactor BTW... I believe in kalk...
 
I love using Kalkwasser, simplify for the pH bonus. It's nice to be able to keep it much more stable throughout the day and night. Also, as mentioned, precipitating some PO4 is definitely a bonus.
 
don't forget OP was manually adding a kalkwasser slurry, so evap doesn't matter in the equation.
Here's a question?
Do coral know or care if you have an alkalinity of 8 and 420ppm calcium?
Could it be that as long as there in enough calcium and carbonate in the water to form a skeleton they thrive?
 
don't forget OP was manually adding a kalkwasser slurry, so evap doesn't matter in the equation.
Here's a question?
Do coral know or care if you have an alkalinity of 8 and 420ppm calcium?
Could it be that as long as there in enough calcium and carbonate in the water to form a skeleton they thrive?

The point is that enough calcium and carbonate means 7 and above alkalinity and 380-400 and above calcium.
 
I've always had better "luck" with just using Kalk than any other method of Calcium/Carbonate replacement. Although i've had very little time with a small calcium reactor on one of my old tanks which worked fairly well but seemed i was always making small adjustments.
 
don't forget OP was manually adding a kalkwasser slurry, so evap doesn't matter in the equation.
Here's a question?
Do coral know or care if you have an alkalinity of 8 and 420ppm calcium?
Could it be that as long as there in enough calcium and carbonate in the water to form a skeleton they thrive?

Alkalinity needs to be stable, as well, to some degree. The more stable the parameters, the better.
 
Many thanks for starting this thread. having spend years moving round I always had a deltec calcium reactor that needed this and that.. both times when I got stupid growth it was with regular calk addition.
going back to Uni part-time and just wanting a simple system, a mate reminded me how he grew his tank (this guy is Mr. Magic with spa) mostly only using calk..
Thanks for the reminder
 
I hate to say it but it seems to me that it was more coincidences then anything. It sounds like at one point you had a relatively stable tank and things grew then you moved around, had issues with excessive nutrients, and other tank related problems but keep going back to 1 thing as the cause of your success or failure. You should really be looking at the bigger picture. I've used kalk, 2 part BRS, 2 part bionic, calcium reactors, and simply doing a lot of water changes. What I added wasn't nearly as important as how, when, how stable my system was, and how good my husbandry was at the time.


I concur. I see the success as more of a result of stability rather than the addition of kalkwasser. There is a word or phrase for this, but it has slipped my mind.
 
Hey...as the old saying goes.... no two tanks are alike. So in your tank, kalk might be the magic after all. :dance:
 
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