Keeping SPS is soooo hard and expensive! Thinking about quitting after 2 years.

Yes, I can see the good sized corals in the pics in the ROTM Dec 2013 thread.

If you aren't disturbing the sand bed much at all, then do you use a skimmer, GAC, GFO, etc.? My 12g is coming up on 7 years now, but since I don't use any mechanical filtration or chemical media I have found that regular water changes and vacuuming are essential in controling NO3 and PO4 with my 1" deep shallow aragonite sand bed.

The corals pictured are now 2-3 times that size, and beginning to be a problem. A clean-out may have to occur shortly.

In the beginning of this tank, I used a Tunze centrifugal skimmer and occasionally GAC. Water changes were about 20% per week. Now I run GAC and GFO continuously, and have a R.O. 180 classic in the sump. Lighting is 2 65w PC bulbs, one's a combo 460/12k, and one's a dual 460nm. The biggest difference in husbandry over the last 11 years has been carbon dosing - I dose about 1.5 mL of vinegar into this tank every night. Nitrates went from 20-40ppm to undetectable, and stayed that way.
 
The corals pictured are now 2-3 times that size, and beginning to be a problem. A clean-out may have to occur shortly.

In the beginning of this tank, I used a Tunze centrifugal skimmer and occasionally GAC. Water changes were about 20% per week. Now I run GAC and GFO continuously, and have a R.O. 180 classic in the sump. Lighting is 2 65w PC bulbs, one's a combo 460/12k, and one's a dual 460nm. The biggest difference in husbandry over the last 11 years has been carbon dosing - I dose about 1.5 mL of vinegar into this tank every night. Nitrates went from 20-40ppm to undetectable, and stayed that way.

Thanks for the detailed info. The way I look at it, as long as the method used ends up creating a long lasting, healthy environment...it's all good :)
 
Dosing any form of carbon has its drawbacks on the bacteria. Your giving a new food source, one that may be rather limited in our systems. Carbon.

In a system that has nothing dosed, doesn't run any extra equipment and no other doodads the heterotrophic bacteria break down organics into ammonia. the autotrophic bacteria then take that ammonia and thru a few processes turn it in to nitrate and in healthy conditions into nitrogen gas.

when you carbon dose your giving the bacteria a new, formerly limited, food source. the ratios between N & C change and the heterotrophic then take advantage of the extra carbon and become the main nitrifiers in the system. they are able to convert ammonia straight to nitrogen gas and bind nitrogen to their beings, no nitrites or nitrates are put into the water column. this may starve the autotrophic bacteria of food since the heterotrophic bacteria are able to propagate several times faster then autotrophic bacteria. BTW bacterial blooms (of the common cloudy water type)are often heterotrophic in nature. The side effects of having heterotrophic bacteria as the main nitrifiers is bacterial flock, and lots of it. autotrophic bacteria's side effects are nitrates, heterotrophic bacteria's is excess bacterial flock.

With the autotrophic bacteria's numbers limited they are either getting their food source from any excess nutrients in the water column or from the rocks. the water column would be a first priority because its easier. pulling nutrients from the rocks takes more energy and bacteria are lazy. With the impaired autotrophic bacteria population impaired they wont be able to keep up with liberating phosphates from the rock, thus leading to excess nutrients within the rock. this could be why some of your corals RTN and some don't. some rocks may be full of nutrients and some are not. You can test this by taking one of your corals that appear to be doing good and switching it with one that's not so well off.

Detritus. Like I said before, heterotrophic create a lot more bacterial flock when you carbon dose. if your not exporting more then whats being imported (IE: Siphoning your sandbed) that bacterial flock is going to settle in your rocks, sandbed, nooks and crannies of your rock and further decompose releasing inorganic N & P back into the water column, the same N & P you just bound to the bacteria flock by carbon dosing therefore making carbon dosing a problem, not a nutrient exporter. OP stated when he took the phos reactor offline phos went from .03 to .09, wonder why.

http://m.avto.aslo.info/lo/toc/vol_43/issue_1/0088.pdf
https://marine.rutgers.edu/pubs/private/AmmermanEEM02.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004484860600216X
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24186453
http://www.scribd.com/doc/182676082/Understanding-Heterotrophic-Systems

You can believe what myself & Reefin' Dude are telling you, you can read for yourself, or you can continue what your doing and wonder why your system is failing. I dare you to try it our way.
 
I never said I wouldn't try it your way. :)

Pellets offline, alk will stay 8.5. I'll siphon the hell out of my sandbed every day until I feel it's "caught up". I cleaned my sump out today with a shop vac. May take those ceramic blocks out of the sump. Still not sure if I need more lighting...

I bought a 1350 gph power head that I'll use to blow off my rocks every wc.
 
Subtle changes there, Grasshopper. I'd strongly recommend vacuuming the sand bed just one section (~1/8) at a time maybe once a week so that you don't liberate too much nastiness all at once. Much safer...
 
Subtle changes there, Grasshopper. I'd strongly recommend vacuuming the sand bed just one section (~1/8) at a time maybe once a week so that you don't liberate too much nastiness all at once. Much safer...

yes that too. although the changes are for the better, changes still need to be made slowly.
 
nice.

what about the carbon dosing?

Still need to figure out strategy. I depend on automation as I never know if I need to go out of town for work. This means often times leaving fiancé in charge of daily tasks. Carbon dosing is not a task I trust her with. :)

My first thought is to switch to a calc reactor, this frees up my Neptune dos for automated carbon dosing (vinegar or vodka, open to suggestions).

Switching to Red Sea blue tub for lower alk.
 
Also I'm going to make a video of my sump and dt cleaning process I do with WC. Hopefully I can get some good feedback to help myself and others.
 
well like I said, id go back to letting the autotrophic bacteria handle it or your rock may never get clean. yeah you will have to deal with nitrates but that's where good husbandry comes into play. once I get my tank set back up im going to experiment with dosing maybe like 1/16th or 1/8th of what a carbon dosing setup would do to see if I can still have autotrophic bacteria as the main and sortve use heterotrophic to maintain a 10ppm nitrate (softie/lps tank).
 
well like I said, id go back to letting the autotrophic bacteria handle it or your rock may never get clean. yeah you will have to deal with nitrates but that's where good husbandry comes into play. once I get my tank set back up im going to experiment with dosing maybe like 1/16th or 1/8th of what a carbon dosing setup would do to see if I can still have autotrophic bacteria as the main and sortve use heterotrophic to maintain a 10ppm nitrate (softie/lps tank).

Sorry to sound like an idiot but are you saying to not carbon dose or to just dose small?
 
Maybe your test kits are off. I had a hell of a time trying to keep corals to me I was doing everything right. Then I got a better refractometer and test kits and realized I was off on a few things. Now my tank is awesome
 
I'd stop dosing aa and remove the pellets. Get back to basics. Didn't see... Do you have a refugium with macro?
 
Sorry to sound like an idiot but are you saying to not carbon dose or to just dose small?

im saying not to carbon dose. don't stop doing it all together, slowly ween the tank off of it.

I was also saying im going to run an experiment in the future, cuz I like experiments.
 
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