reefdogg1107
Steve
I agree EXCEPT for the pit bull b/c that is a whole other misconception. But not to take away from the thread I think she knew what the possibilities were and she took that chance. Just my $0.03 :smokin:
KILLER whales
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I agree EXCEPT for the pit bull b/c that is a whole other misconception. But not to take away from the thread I think she knew what the possibilities were and she took that chance. Just my $0.03 :smokin:
A confined animal, regardless of specie, is generally more aggressive than the same animal in the wild. This was not the animals fault, it is our fault for taking the animal out of its natural environment. They won't euthanize the whale, because of the back lash they would receive from the public. I feel worst for the whale than I do for the trainer who lost their life. At least one of the two was able to make the decision to be placed in this situation. The whale never asked to be placed in captivity.
shawna1972
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This is very true and seen in aquariums. I see it very clearly with tangs and swimming volume.
captain7359
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reefdogg1107
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Jedistphn
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We as humans choose to try to tame a wild animal, then we have the audacity to be surprised when one turns on us and bad things happen.
These animals did not choose to be kept, captured, etc.. Millions of years of evolution and instinct will eventually kick in and they will act on these instincts.
I personally have and never would go to a sea world just because I hate to see these beautiful animals doing stupid tricks for entertainment.
Same reaon I have never been to a circus, or to a dog or horse race. As someone who loves ALL animals, and the ocean and the wonders of the world, I personally do not contribute my money to see them caged or whipped or trained to act out of character.
Should the Whale be punished.. NO. What should be done.. Who Knows.. This animal needs stimulation and exercise and that requires human interaction at this point since the whale probably could not survive now in the wild..
Whew... Been keeping that one in all morning...
-Jedi
These animals did not choose to be kept, captured, etc.. Millions of years of evolution and instinct will eventually kick in and they will act on these instincts.
I personally have and never would go to a sea world just because I hate to see these beautiful animals doing stupid tricks for entertainment.
Same reaon I have never been to a circus, or to a dog or horse race. As someone who loves ALL animals, and the ocean and the wonders of the world, I personally do not contribute my money to see them caged or whipped or trained to act out of character.
Should the Whale be punished.. NO. What should be done.. Who Knows.. This animal needs stimulation and exercise and that requires human interaction at this point since the whale probably could not survive now in the wild..
Whew... Been keeping that one in all morning...
-Jedi
roc4558
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Im in flordia right now was going to go to sea world yesterday instead we went to magic kingdom again . Today we are headed to sea world where the trainer died and all whale shows are canceled which sucks a little but tommorow we leave and need to use the tickets. That whale has killed 3 people now.
shawna1972
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Could not agree more!
superkat
Premium Member
the first time i saw one of these gorgeous animals at Sea World, as a child...it disturbed me. Two reasons...one...because it was so large and when they weren't bossing it around to do tricks for the audience, he really looked sad. Two...because i found very little entertainment in watching a wild animal in captivity doing tricks. The part "B" to the second reason is that I was actually disgusted by the hoots and hollers of the people watching this beautiful creature do these tricks.
I was in the Ukraine in 2003. Downtown, just outside of Kiev, there was a little market place...and there was a person there with a bear on a leash...doing tricks for people so they would place money in his hat. Leash around his neck, fur so matted...it broke my heart. But could he be released into the wild? No, not after being a "pet" for so many years. Was it wrong that he was captured? Yes. But after the damage is done, the only thing you can do is to make the creature as comfortable as possible, regardless of what calamities have happened.
My girlfriend Heather and her husband in Oregon, are marine biologists. Heather's studies include rescuing and releasing dolphins, whales...back into the sea. Her experience is that if one of these mammals undergo a lengthy recovery time, they do not do well when released. It breaks her heart...because you want to save them, when they are stranded on the beach...but then you wonder....did I just break some chain of command by interfering with a natural process of elimination/evolution. She knew when she got into this field that there would be risks....as with anything we venture to do in our lives. Asking yourself if what you love is worth the risk justifies anything that may happen as a result of following your heart.
Tough questions, for sure. I hope they continue to do what is right for the whale...even if it means remaining in captivity.
I was in the Ukraine in 2003. Downtown, just outside of Kiev, there was a little market place...and there was a person there with a bear on a leash...doing tricks for people so they would place money in his hat. Leash around his neck, fur so matted...it broke my heart. But could he be released into the wild? No, not after being a "pet" for so many years. Was it wrong that he was captured? Yes. But after the damage is done, the only thing you can do is to make the creature as comfortable as possible, regardless of what calamities have happened.
My girlfriend Heather and her husband in Oregon, are marine biologists. Heather's studies include rescuing and releasing dolphins, whales...back into the sea. Her experience is that if one of these mammals undergo a lengthy recovery time, they do not do well when released. It breaks her heart...because you want to save them, when they are stranded on the beach...but then you wonder....did I just break some chain of command by interfering with a natural process of elimination/evolution. She knew when she got into this field that there would be risks....as with anything we venture to do in our lives. Asking yourself if what you love is worth the risk justifies anything that may happen as a result of following your heart.
Tough questions, for sure. I hope they continue to do what is right for the whale...even if it means remaining in captivity.
GMaquarium
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Wild animal is and will always be a wild animal. I have had my share of bites, stings and scrapes working with many different creatures. If I worked with killer whales I guess the risk of being killed by one would have to be something that will come with the job.
Kat what did you think of Kiev Pet market? Bear or a wolf on a chain was not a rare sight there.
Kat what did you think of Kiev Pet market? Bear or a wolf on a chain was not a rare sight there.
block head
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aquadonkey
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I just read the posted article. Just so sad. For everyone.
superkat
Premium Member
pretty surreal.....:hmm4: this guy was sitting on the bear's lap, letting the bear lick his face....and my friends were saying, "oh look, the bear is kissiing him..." I said, "no...look again, the bear is TASTING him...."
Then i went and shopped for one of those awesome coats that go down to your ankles....better entertainment.....
superkat
Premium Member
penguin or trisquit?
reefdogg1107
Steve
Sadly because people like money.....at any cost... VERY SAD! :thumbdown
superkat
Premium Member
two peeps, actually. love that channel.
With a little research, i found out that the first killer whale capture was in 1961 by Marineland of the Pacific in California. They captured a sick, disoriented mature female in Newport Harbor, California. Two days after the introduction into her tank, she smashed her rostrum head-on into the tanks' wall and died.
The next captive killer whale was in 1964. It didn't start out as a live capture, but eventually ended up as the first whale to be kept in captivity for a period of time. A sculptor by the name of Samuel Burich was commissioned in 1964 by the Vancouver Aquarium to go out and kill a killer whale and fashion a life-sized model of it for the aquariums' new British Columbia hall. Burich harpooned a 15-foot long, 1-ton whale near East Point, Saturna Island in British Columbia. When the whale did not die immediately, even after being shot, the aquarium director, Murray Newman, decided to keep the killer whale alive and tow the whale back to Vancouver, British Columbia - a 20-mile journey. He used the harpoon line attached to the base of the whales dorsal fin as the tow line. The harpooned whale that was towed to Vancouver was named Moby Doll (although later they found out it was male). People were surprised by Moby Dolls docility. Moby Doll was kept in captivity for 87 days until he died from a skin disease caused by the harbors' low salinity water.
And that's how it all started.
With a little research, i found out that the first killer whale capture was in 1961 by Marineland of the Pacific in California. They captured a sick, disoriented mature female in Newport Harbor, California. Two days after the introduction into her tank, she smashed her rostrum head-on into the tanks' wall and died.
The next captive killer whale was in 1964. It didn't start out as a live capture, but eventually ended up as the first whale to be kept in captivity for a period of time. A sculptor by the name of Samuel Burich was commissioned in 1964 by the Vancouver Aquarium to go out and kill a killer whale and fashion a life-sized model of it for the aquariums' new British Columbia hall. Burich harpooned a 15-foot long, 1-ton whale near East Point, Saturna Island in British Columbia. When the whale did not die immediately, even after being shot, the aquarium director, Murray Newman, decided to keep the killer whale alive and tow the whale back to Vancouver, British Columbia - a 20-mile journey. He used the harpoon line attached to the base of the whales dorsal fin as the tow line. The harpooned whale that was towed to Vancouver was named Moby Doll (although later they found out it was male). People were surprised by Moby Dolls docility. Moby Doll was kept in captivity for 87 days until he died from a skin disease caused by the harbors' low salinity water.
And that's how it all started.
shawna1972
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very sad
