Korallin Calcium Reactor

pH probe was calibrated yesterday with fluids from my lab at work, even set in the tank water for temp correction. However, I used 7 and 10 to calibrate. Should I perhaps use 4 and 7? I have all three. Perhaps the probe has problems reading in such high Ca/alk water? Once when I was frirst setting up the reactor I had 38 DPM, 14 BPM, pH 5.8 60dKH.... I thought my media would be mud, but it wasn't. ??? Yes, it is ARM.

Effluent drips righ near skimmer intake. No, you are correct, there is no CO2 buildup in the reactor.
 
There is something strange with that PH reading. I have used both solutions (7 and 10 and 4 and 7) and in both cases I get OK results although lately I use 4 and 7 for my reactor's controller and 7 and 10 for the tank PH monitoring controller. so using either will be OK, of course if you are using a linear probe and the slope is set properly. Try using 4 and 7 and see if that helps.

Anyhow another posibility is that the reactor internal pressure is still high. Higher internal pressure will dissolve more CO2 but will not convert it to carbonic acid and will pass to the effluent just dropping your aquarium PH, so may be dropping the pressure a bit more can also help.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8606553#post8606553 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jdieck

Anyhow another posibility is that the reactor internal pressure is still high. Higher internal pressure will dissolve more CO2 but will not convert it to carbonic acid and will pass to the effluent just dropping your aquarium PH, so may be dropping the pressure a bit more can also help.

That makes excellent sense, since my tank pH is now 7.7 and dropping. OK, I'll lower the feed more, and lower the bubble count, and see what happens. Thanks again for all the help. I knew this would be the one piece of equipment I would be frustrated with, but I am determined...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8606624#post8606624 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SDguy
That makes excellent sense, since my tank pH is now 7.7 and dropping. OK, I'll lower the feed more, and lower the bubble count, and see what happens. Thanks again for all the help. I knew this would be the one piece of equipment I would be frustrated with, but I am determined...

You are not the only one, I keep experimenting with mine and keep on learning diferent behaviours with diferent medias and parameters. I switched my first chamber to a large size media like the Gen-X and trying to evaluate if the added recirculation compensates for the reduced area and harder to dissolve media. I found it does not so the larger media may need a lower PH to dissolve and saturate the effluent. After trying to operate it at 6.3 I found that I started having bubbles inside the reactor as the media can't dissolve fast enough to consume the CO2 added so last night I installed a gas phase separator to recirculate the bubbles back into the chamber so I am still testing and learning.
 
OK, closing the valve to the feed to lower pressure even more doesn't work. The reactor starts to suck in air/water through the reactor top outlet and/or through the leak in the check valve (I confirmed this by turning off the solenoid....bubbles continued to enter the reactor). Yes, I know this must mean I'm still losing CO2 to the check valve leak when the recator is pressurized....guess I have to buy a new valve Ugh!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8607134#post8607134 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SDguy
OK, closing the valve to the feed to lower pressure even more doesn't work. The reactor starts to suck in air/water through the reactor top outlet and/or through the leak in the check valve (I confirmed this by turning off the solenoid....bubbles continued to enter the reactor). Yes, I know this must mean I'm still losing CO2 to the check valve leak when the recator is pressurized....guess I have to buy a new valve Ugh!
Try leaving the output effluent valve fully open and regulate the effluent with the inlet valve.
The valve might not be damaged, remember that there is pressure on the discharge of the regulator and after the solenoid valve so even if you close the solenoid CO2 will continue for several minutes until that pressure is exausted.
 
I have lost one of two plastic compression fittings that attach CO2 lines to the top of the Korallin calcium reactor. Does anybody have an old Korallin reactor top lying around that I could scavange such a fitting off?

The thread is Metric 10 x 1.0. All I need is the nut that swallows the threaded nipple that looks up from the top of the reactor !!

Thanks !!

George
Tulsa, Oklahoma
 
I could really use some help figuring out what just went wrong with my Korallin 1502. It had been running smoothly since the last media change about 2 months ago until this morning. I noticed the effluent pH had risen and then I saw the bubble count had slowed down. Effluent drip was unchanged. First thing I checked was CO2- seems like there's still some in there-- I detached it from the reactor and opened the valve and plenty of gas shot out (pressure is at 20 and capacity guage reads full still). When I close the tank valve the guages gradually drop to zero. Next I checked the CO2 lines for clogging and they're all clear. I also checked the CO2 output out of the regulator and that was ok. Checked the line between the bubble counter and Eheim pump intake and it seems clear. Re-teflon taped the in and out of the check valve... so what's left? The check valve has gone bad? I'm not sure what else there is to check. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
 
Forgot to add-- I'm using an Aqualifter to feed the reactor- it's working fine. I just checked and after a half hour of no CO2 the effluent output hasn't slowed down or sped up, so the pressure in the reactor seems to be good.
 
Ugh, starting to hate this piece of...equipment. So I had a TINY leak/drip coming from somewhere around the intake to the eheim pump. Decided to remove the pump, reteflon the connectors attached to it. OK, no problem there. Well, before putting it back on, I decided to change the tiny short pieces of flex hose connecting the pump to the reactor. It always bothered me that they didn't supply long enough pieces to go over the barb fitting on the pump connections. I actually have 1/2" green eheim tubing. I thought, perfect. I don't have zipties though, so I figured I could use hose clamps. Wrong! I can not get a good seal on the slip connection (surprise surprise, I mean, ***?! It's a slip connection, no barb, nothing). So now what? Does a ziptie vs a hose clamp make that much difference?
 
I am afraid I have to recommend to you to change to use a powerhead or aqualifter to feed the reactor. The leak around the inlet of the Eheim could be excess pressure creating a leak on the O ring that seals the front cover of the impeller.

Regarding the hose, on the powerhead side the hand nut shall be able to seal the hose against the insert by turning it couterclockwose as far as it goes (Screwout)
On the pipe side the hose shall fit tight then clamp or sip tie shall work, If the hose is too loose only a power screw clamp will be strong enough to squeeze it against the pipe.
 
OK, just got back from buying zipties. Intalled the old hose pieces (though they still seem short) but everything looks good, no leaks anywhere. I think the teflon tape worked. Now let's discuss the pressure thing.

If I turn down the water feed valve REALLY low, it creates a venturi effect, and actually sucks water/air IN from both the "Outlet 2" and the CO2 feed. Is this normal? I'm assuming this is what's happing: It's decreasing the pressure inside the reactor however it can. So it is sucking whatever it can, in this case the "Outlet 2" line and/or the CO2 line. This tells me the pressure was too much to begin with? Yes? No? The instructions say to pressurize it, but not how much.

So, I will close the feed lave even more (a needle valve is on order) and see what happens...
 
Sometimes closed circuits behave in an aparent ilogical way because the inlet pressure of the pump is afected by its out output pressure.
In this reactor (As oposed to downflow reactors) the inlet pressure in the pump basically equals its output pressure less the pressure drop across the media, so when the inlet valve and CO2 are closed the pressure at the ilet is lower by the pressure drop across the media. In this conditions if line 2 (connected to the top of the chamber) is open it is easier for the pump to pull air in then to pull the water up trough the media.
This effect is good to pull in the CO2 which then is compressed into the bottom of the media (The higher pressure side of the chamber) by the pump's discharge, This compression increases the amount and speed of the CO2 being dissolved in the water.

To prevent air suction from the line 2 the pressure created by the inlet water has to be higher than the pressure drop from the media upflow minus the pressure increase created by the CO2 flow. In other wordsn and I just realized, using the inlet valve to control the effluent will not work unless the line 2 is closed or line 1 is closed and line 2 is used to handle all the effluent.
From These here are alternatives you can test:

a) Use Line 1 for effluent, leave line 2 slightly open, open inlet valve slightly more than the effluent valve 1 but still effluent valve 1 shall control the effluent. This will pressurize the reactor up to the return pumps discharge. to prevent to high of a pressure turn vlave one fully open, slowly open inlet valve until effluent is about 10 % higher than what you look for, then start slowly close valve one to restrict the effluent beck from the 10% high to the target. You may need to adjust valve on a couple of times as the effluent will increase back up ad the pressure inside the reactor increases.

b) Use line 2 for effluent and leave it fully open, close line 1, use inlet valve to control effluent flow. This option will work but looses the benefit of increased reactor pressure.

c) Use line 1 for effluent but fully open, keep line 2 closed and use inlet valve to control the effluent amount. This will work but may create CO2 accumulation over time and potentially the recirc pump may loose priming and run dry so it is not one I would prefer

d) Switch the feed to a powerhead or aqualift, remove the inlet valve, use valve one for effluent control and leave line 2 slightly open to vent any CO2 accumulation. The powerhead pressure will be enough for good operation but not high enough to create any leaks.

So from those above atlhough all would work the one that rewuires less attention and trimming is (d)
 
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Wow, thanks so much. Makes perfect sense, especially about it being easier to pull water from output 2 than up through the media. I took physics, I should have realized that :D

Actually, I just read your reply this morning, but last night I did option A. This morning everything still looks good. I even was able to keep a very low bubble count, which I was never able to do before. So I think I have everything set pretty good. And no leaks :D

Now, I will have to slowly increase drips and bubbles, since as I had it set for the last week, my alk still dropped from 8.85dKH to 8.0 dKH.

Thanks so much for the help. It's nice to have help when you get frustrated :D
 
Well everyone feel free to open the beverage of your choice, because it's time to celebrate! :celeb1:

My bubble count, drip rate, and pH have been constant for over 24 hours, no leaks, and I turned up the drip rate and bubble count, and it worked as expected. :D
 
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