Large holding tank (pool) input needed?

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My roommate (dive partner) and I are gearing up to do some recreational tropical ornamental fish collection.

We understand that with a standard saltwater fishing license we each have a bag limit of up to 20 fish per day. We have read and understand the laws which govern our collection and what type, what size and how many of each we can take. We are planning 2 day trips to some non-protected east-coast sites that we have scouted. Some sites are beach access and some will require boat access. (we don’t have a boat yet… any volunteers?)

We have researched the common collection practices and equipment needed to do this type of collection. (we WILL NOT be using any drugs or chemicals.) We intend to use only barrier and hand-net methods which comply with regulations governing this type of collection. We realize that this type of collection is not easy, but the main reason for this endeavor is to have fun, do some great dives, and collect some cool fish to put in our aquariums.

We have developed a plan to transport the fish back to Tampa safely and to ensure their health during the trip. (55gal plastic drums full of filtered NSW, Amquel for ammonia control, aerators for oxygenation, and powerheads for circulation.) I will start another thread closer to the time of our first trip to discuss refining the transport procedure.

Our current task and the reason for this thread is to get ideas for and discuss our holding tank setup at the house. Our plan is to set up a 12’x36” above ground pool in our garage. The pool will be purchased new to make sure it has not been exposed to chemicals such as Chlorine which could harm our catch. The pool that we have selected is the dimensions mentioned above and holds 1778gal. It comes with a pump rated at 530GPH for circulation.
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Our intention is to fill the pool with clean, filtered NSW and some live rock for natural filtration. We waver on the need or benefit of using substrate in the pool and what its effects might be on the pump that comes with the pool. We also think that it might be advantageous to upgrade the pump to something like a Sequence Dart or even a Hammerhead for way more flow. Obviously, we are not made of money and would like to keep the spending to a minimum, but we need to keep any of our collected species healthy and happy. To deal with any infighting or harassment of the fish we are considering using nylon popup laundry bags (the idea was found on a collection equipment site)
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to segregate the different fish from one another and make it easier to re-capture them to move to their new home aquarium. (I really don’t want to chase a fish around a swimming pool for several hours because he doesn’t want to be caught again.)

I would like to get some opinions, ideas and thoughts for refining this holding tank from the many people who read these forums. We still have a great deal of time to figure this stuff out before we make our first collection trip. We would need to have the holding tank cycled and refine our transport procedures first. We may at some point offer fish to others within the community, but for now this is strictly a recreational endeavor and is to be regarded as such.

I look forward to everyone’s input,
Joe
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12639425#post12639425 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WarDaddy
I think you need to rethink this whole idea...

Ok, what are your thoughts? Do I need to rethink this idea because you object to my collecting or do I need to rethink my idea because the basis of using a pool won't work in the way I intend?

Thanks,
Joe
 
Why don't contact piece of the reef in seminole they have a 15000 gal pool and ask them , they are the only people I know that do any thing like that
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12639579#post12639579 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bodacious
Why don't contact piece of the reef in seminole they have a 15000 gal pool and ask them , they are the only people I know that do any thing like that

Theirs is a 15,000gal in-ground pool from what I've heard. Ours will (hopefully) be a 1800gal above-ground pool. Slightly different, but I will contact them and see what they have to say about it.

Just thinking out loud here, we could also build a wood-frame plywood box with a pond liner instead, but it would cost more for materials in the short run. The pool package is about $100 with the 530gph pump included.

Thanks,
Joe
 
Hm., well not sure about the big picture plan you have going on but in regards to the pool. They sell them at Big lots. The filter that comes with it is the same as a canister type filter and pond pump looks like a mag type pump, should work for low flow and lite filtartion. The pool liner is VERY thin, live rock would likely puncture the marerial if it shifts even slightly. Rubber entrance mats could help or placing the L/R in containers rather then on the pool bottom. Extrnal filtration such as a phospate and nitrate reactor would help. That's a lot of water to use for this project.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12639680#post12639680 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SoundsFishy2me2
Hm., well not sure about the big picture plan you have going on but in regards to the pool. They sell them at Big lots. The filter that comes with it is the same as a canister type filter and pond pump looks like a mag type pump, should work for low flow and lite filtartion. The pool liner is VERY thin, live rock would likely puncture the marerial if it shifts even slightly. Rubber entrance mats could help or placing the L/R in containers rather then on the pool bottom. Extrnal filtration such as a phospate and nitrate reactor would help. That's a lot of water to use for this project.

Thanks for the thoughts!

I think the concern about the big plan is that we are going to go out and catch 80+ fish on our first trip and then try to do something devilish with them or neglect them in some way. I assure you that our intentions are to only collect the types and quantitys of fish we wish to keep. Not to mention I've never tried to catch a fish in open water with only a net before, we may come home empty handed. The reason for the holding tank is to keep any fish we do catch safe and alive, keep them separate from one another and possibly (although unlikey) keep some larger fish in this tank/pool as an aquarium itself. It is all just a dream at this point but we need help coming up with plausible ways to make this reality. This is the reason for the post, to get input on the way to do this properly if we do end up doing it. I'll get back to subject now.

I'll check out the Big Lots units and see what is comparable. We are looking for something to put the live rock on/in to avoid ripping the liner as you stated, we definately need suggestions.

The reason for the large pool idea is to have a lot of water. If my understanding is correct, the more water you have the less chance of something small affecting/ killing the whole lot. I'm sure I could set up a 300gal fishtank and achieve the same goals, but the cost of purchasing the tank itself and supporting equipment would far exceed the cost of purchasing the pool and supporting equipment IMHO.
 
I would definitely choose the frame + large pond liner idea over a blow-up pool.

what kind of fish are you trying to catch?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12639768#post12639768 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by markandkristen
i personally think that a hole in the pool would be a disaster waiting to happen...
im thinking rubbermaid stock tanks...

It concerns us as well. I think plumbing a ton of those rubbermade tanks together would be pain and take up a lot more space. Not to mention the cost of purchasing the containers and the plumbing fittings would be more expensive than just the pool. But I do think it is the 1st viable alternative should we scrap the pool idea.

Thanks,
Joe
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12639802#post12639802 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by payyourtoll
I would definitely choose the frame + large pond liner idea over a blow-up pool.

what kind of fish are you trying to catch?

I think that the frame liner idea (like the ones at Rockin' reef) Would work very well indeed. Also the rubbermaid tubs plumbed together is a good idea. We are just trying to see if the pool idea would be viable, perhaps it is not.

The places we scouted on the east coast have many of the same fish that you see in the LFS and some that you only see in online stores. We have seen many angels, wrasse, butterflys, parrots, triggers, gobies, blennies, tangs, groupers, etc...
 
hmmm what about temperature? how can you keep a stable temperature? and predators, birds; you have to think a way to keep them away, also any debris from the wind. What can happen if grass that has fertilizer or insecticide get in the pool?
 
Well all I can say is it sounds to me like you really want to do the right thing here. You are really thinking this out, but that being said Im not sure you are thinking clear enough.

The idea looks great. I don't think you will have any problems with the transport (if you can even catch anything. like you said) How ever I think you need to look for a new option other then a blow up pool. I understand that you are not made of money I don't think many of us on this forum are but you may be trying to cut to big of a corner off here with that as a holding tank.

Reasons well that is alot of water going into your garage when it pops. notice I didn't put IF :(

In thorey it is a great cheep way to get started but not recommended for long term. Maybe I missed it but is this a temp holding tank till you move them to your main tank? if so I would just wait till the main tank is setup and running and move the fish in then.

If this is a temp setup then remember what ever stuff you get can be resold later on. The pond liner is the best bet and as I said someone would love to pick up some pond liner at at 30%-40% saving so you can get 60%-70% of your $ back on that part.

Remember this is just our/ my opinion(s) and everyone has one. If people didn't ever try out stuff that other people thought were crazy we would be missing out on alot of great things in life.


Good Luck

Roger
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12640752#post12640752 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gsellers1245
I THIK YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE COLLECTING TO THE PROFESSIONALS

Even professionals were novice collectors at some point.
Even though you say recreational, I am guessing you are planning on selling these fish otherwise why would you need a pre-holding system?
If this is the case my issue here is you are trying to spend as little money as possible to make money. I know this is every fledgling business starting plan but one of the main rules in business is you have to spend money to make money. With that being said, I have seen fish kept in these blow up pools but they were Koi and not saltwaterfish which require more stable water conditions. I am almost positive that those pools as is would not be enough to sustain saltwaterfish for any given amount of time. The nylon bags are a very bad idea to house fish. I see pro collectors using them to bring the fish to the boats but I can see fish easily getting caught in the mess if it is just free floating in a pool.
I am also not sure what sort of effects the saltwater will have on the thin material over time.
You would be better off setting up multiple holding tanks for redundancy purposes. I would hate to lose thousands of dollars in inventory because my one holding tank failed.
Heavy duty rubbermaid tubs found at tractor supply companies would probably be the most cost effective option. You could get the Critter cages and house individual fish in them inside the tubs in order to keep multiple fish together without any disputes. I am guessing that you are going to try and turn these around pretty quick as most collectors do so you don't need anything overly fancy.
 
odd no one else has brought this up but if your on a tight budget then where are you going to get the money for the salt, unless you plan on getting it from the gulf and in that case, you better have a big boat to transport a large quanity of water from 10-15 miles off shore to get the cleanest water. Also where are you going to do your water changes im sure the neighbors would not appriciate you dumping 1800 gallons of salt water down the street into the storm drains, along with killing everyones grass that it touches on its way besides being illegal to dump down the storm drain and polluting the retention ponds where wild life is living
 
It sounds to me like you are looking to start a collecting busniess. This is not the best venue to be discussing a reef related start up busniess.

If you are collecting for your tank, which you state, you do not need a large holding vat.

If you are going to collect, to sell, I do believe you really need to sit down and formulate a solid busniess plan, and do serious market research before you start. I suggest you find guys that are doing it now, buy them a few beers and discuss the profession. There are so may regulations in Florida waters, you really need to be very aware of all that.

What is your goal, to make money? If you say no, then you are misleading yourself or us. If you say yes, your goal is to make money, I think your plans need a ton more work, and the best venue would be Scuba Clubs not Reef Clubs. We are your customers, but we know little about the catching, transport, holding on any sort of commercial scale.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12641164#post12641164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WarDaddy
It sounds to me like you are looking to start a collecting busniess. This is not the best venue to be discussing a reef related start up busniess.

If you are collecting for your tank, which you state, you do not need a large holding vat.

If you are going to collect, to sell, I do believe you really need to sit down and formulate a solid busniess plan, and do serious market research before you start. I suggest you find guys that are doing it now, buy them a few beers and discuss the profession. There are so may regulations in Florida waters, you really need to be very aware of all that.

What is your goal, to make money? If you say no, then you are misleading yourself or us. If you say yes, your goal is to make money, I think your plans need a ton more work, and the best venue would be Scuba Clubs not Reef Clubs. We are your customers, but we know little about the catching, transport, holding on any sort of commercial scale.

Well put.

Also the permits required to Commercially collect and or sell tropicals is ALMOST impossible to get these days. I know, I have looked into it for years now.
 
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