Learning/rebuilding from my epic fail

oh my fu**ing god Matt!!

I love picture updates!!
your corals look amazing!! :bigeyes: :bigeyes:

The last pictrue, just like Perry said is what really makes you love the tank!

Thanks for sharing!!

Flo
 
Yep, It mixes clear. It drips pretty constantly. I'm only trying to spread the dose out over a couple of hours. The sludge that my skimmer pulls while doing this is extremely thick and chalky. I also run filter socks down stream. I have been very happy with the success with this method. I don't do this weekly or even monthly anymore now that phosphates are in check. I do run a small amount of gfo very slowly.
Thanks.. I'm going to keep this in mind if I really lose it and get totally exasperated..
That alien creature(s) are colonial Botrylloid tunicates aka tiger sponge

Now excuse me while I thumb back a page and stuff cotton balls in my mouth
Lol. Thanks Kevin! Tiger sponge.. Apt name.
I'm with you guys here. It's for sure speciosa IMO. A beauty.



Orange passion is one of the hardest to colour IMO so I wouldn't get too dejected about that one. Your colours are near perfection and I'm happy to see you find the thrill in seeking tones. It's the part of the hobby that brings me the most joy.

This purple rain! I don't understand how it got its name but WOW I love this photo
I have a couple other pieces of speciosa that don't grow as nicely as that one.. They are a pretty coral.
Yeah, purple rain.. Dunno. It came from Raja at raging reef.. That's what he called it.. The dark polyps all over... Purple rain.. Makes me think of Prince and making out to the mirror ball at high school dances..
The colour tones are what made me give up leds and go back to t5/mh. I think I like looking at my corals top down with mh the best.. I'm my last tank, I just looked at my corals.. In this one I'm much more interested in the colours.. No question, each Acro is like a little jewel. A shiny growing jewel and you can never have enough shiny jewels!!!!! I want one of EVERY colour!!!!
That wide shot is what dreams are made of. Stellar!
Thanks, Dave! I've been dreaming of this myself for a few years, now..
This right here, we all know coral shots can be subjective, so when you put them all out on display and have a WIDE array of significantly colored acros, one can truly take in the beauty and dedication of your art. Very skilled eye for acros Matt! I love the color spread, like a box of crayolas :) Things are filling in as well, keep it up Matt, just love your tank man!!!

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Thank you, Perry! Very kind words. You are always generously appreciative!! :) much obliged!
oh my fu**ing god Matt!!

I love picture updates!!
your corals look amazing!! :bigeyes: :bigeyes:

The last pictrue, just like Perry said is what really makes you love the tank!

Thanks for sharing!!

Flo
:) thanks Flo! Thanks for looking!
loving the anthias. Are they evansi? How long have you had them?
Hey Mike, yes Evansi. I've had 3 for about a year, another 3 for about 6 months and another 3 for about a month.
They are not eapecially easy.. The three I've had for a year came from a group of 12. The other 9 died off. They are pretty finicky eaters. I have only one that has actually grown. A couple others that are not thin and several that are thin. They are the reason why 12-14 cubes of frozen food goes in the tank, daily. I Another feeding would be too much for my system to handle...
I always look for juveniles when I buy because they require fewer calories than adults. And perhaps the juveniles adapt better. I hope so..
They are all between an inch and 1 1/2 inch.
 
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Your fts is a thing of beauty. I strive to have a tank filled in and looking amazing as yours. Great job.
 
Oh Matt, we should do tradsies one day...that Purple Rain will look nice in my tank! ;)

Loving the fts! !
 
I went through a bunch of your pages again. One, so I could enjoy the amazing collection of acros and the spectacular colors. I also got a frag of the pink Cadillac that you showed. It grows fast, my frag is tiny but it's both encrusting and getting vertical growth pretty quick. Not easy or inexpensive to find some of those Canadian beauties. Second, I want to understand what and how you are supplementing, and why. You are using aqua forest salt also. Since it has probiotics, I assume you mix a batch and then use it all in a water change. So how much of a water change do you complete at a time. Sorry if you have answered these questions before. I think I am late to the party with supplements and I don't really understand them very well.
 
So. Beautiful.

Do you just have the single Pyramid? I've always wanted one, or a tinkeri. :bigeyes:
Thanks, Josh. Yes just the one. I'd like to add more but I don't see them that often and I'm pretty maxed out for fish I think.. I'd sooner add another female bellus. Although they are schooling fish, I like having just the one pyramid. It becomes a show fish that way. I guess he's not entirely happy being by himself, however..
Your fts is a thing of beauty. I strive to have a tank filled in and looking amazing as yours. Great job.
Thanks! I really appreciate the kind words.. It's going on a year and a half.. It should be getting grown in already...
Oh Matt, we should do tradsies one day...that Purple Rain will look nice in my tank! ;)

Loving the fts! !
Thanks Mindy! Tradsies sounds good! It went through a growth spurt before I decided to try Carbon dosing. Stupid me.. It'll start again. When it's growing, it really grows..
I went through a bunch of your pages again. One, so I could enjoy the amazing collection of acros and the spectacular colors. I also got a frag of the pink Cadillac that you showed. It grows fast, my frag is tiny but it's both encrusting and getting vertical growth pretty quick. Not easy or inexpensive to find some of those Canadian beauties. Second, I want to understand what and how you are supplementing, and why. You are using aqua forest salt also. Since it has probiotics, I assume you mix a batch and then use it all in a water change. So how much of a water change do you complete at a time. Sorry if you have answered these questions before. I think I am late to the party with supplements and I don't really understand them very well.
Hey Mark, no problem at all.. It's been a while since this stuff has come up.
Over Christmas, I bought 4 buckets of the AF probiotic salt to try. It seems like great salt. I like that it mixes to an alk of 8 instead of 10 or so with IO. I do a 30 gallon wc (10%) every week. I have been pretty religious about it, lately.... This is not always the case but I'm liking the ritual. I'm not sure the probiotic salt has any real benefits other than a more stable alk.. I have ordered some of their basic salt. I'll try it next I think..... Or maybe I'll stick with the probiotic... I can't decide....
I have a custom 30 gallon tank that is packed into my cabinet. It has plumbing that connects it to the main system. It sits beside an identical tank that is part of the main system. These two tanks are plumbed to each other as well as to the house drain. One pump can either mix water in the wc tank, mix water in the system tank or pump water out of either and down the drain. This water change tank gets filled with ro water from the auto top off, so it's always full of ro water. When I'm ready to do a wc, I add my salt, mix it for about 20 minutes, stop my main circulation pump, pump the system tank empty, refill it with my new salt water and restart my recirc. pump.. Takes 15 minutes to do the wc with only valves opening and closing. No manual labour water hauling..
For the past several months, beside the 12-14 cubes of frozen food that goes in daily, I have been adding a pinch of various 'coral foods' at lights out. This consists of Reef Roids, Reef Pearls, Fauna Marin Vitality and AF Coral Food. This mix (minus the Coral Food) has been a staple since day one. The Coral Food, I only added to the mix a few months ago. A couple times a week I add AF coral B (similar to KZ coral snow) and their bacteria, Pro bio s.
Each morning, I add iodine, flourine, potassium and (recently kz coral vitalizer)
That's it! Not much... :)
Recently, I have decided to only add the 'coral food' mix 3 times per week. And I think I may just add the Reef Roids... That's the only food that really has really shown positive results.. I'm reducing the addition of these 'coral foods' because I think they are going a long way towards my persistent nuisance algea issues and frustratingly high phosphate numbers when left unchecked. I'm curious to see if they come down with significant reduction in those foods.
The coral vitalizer, I have a bottle of so I'm using it. I'm not sure it has any benefits.. Although, last year when I was using it, I felt some corals had better colour but who can really say if it is the coral vitalizer...
As for trace elements, I am seeing very mixed results on some colours in my tank.. Blue's are inconsistent. My OT looks pretty good, as does my Cali tort and another blue tort I have. However, my Hawkins could not be less blue! It's a pale green/aqua and it grows very slowly. I have a stag that when I got it, it had the most a sing purple/blue tips... Now, not so much. Same goes for another Acro I bought because of its blue.. So, I have been using a few drops of Lugol's and recently decide to try AF's flourine additive which consists of iodine and flourine. I use it at half dose along with two drops of Lugol's. From what I understand flourine is one of those elements to aid in blue pigmentation.
As for red colours, they are the same as blue.. Some look good and some not so good. Ssc, not so Gilda's well as another coral that was crazy red potential which is just lackluster.. I have had chronically low potassium levels, forever.. When I tried Carbon dosing last month, I was adding a lot of kno3 (seachem flourish potassium) and at the end of it all, my potassium only just reached 400 and within a few days of not adding it, potassium was on its way down again. Now, I am adding Brightwell's powdered potassium supplement and dialing in the dose to keep it at 400 ppm as per my spanking new (and so damn easy to use) Salifert K test kit.
So to sum it up: powdered 'coral food' Coral B and bacteria at night and iodine, flourine, potassium and coral vitalizer in the morning.
Obviously every tank is different and very tank will consume and receive different levels of trace elements and minerals depending on foods added, fish load, coral density, filtration methods, use of a fuge..
I don't know for sure but I can only assume that fast growing algea will be consuming some trace elements and minerals just as fish foods are probably adding some.
I tend to do a lot of wet skimming and will have to add some salt once or twice a week to maintain salinity.. This probably pulls some out as well..
I'm not a big fan of adding things I can't test for, like the flourine but I am giving it a shot.....and I'm sure I will be trying some variations on Andrew's BJ recipe in the near future, just to see what happens... Not yet, though. I want my nutrients to settle down first- after the little stint with Carbon dosing and nitrate adding.
Phew... Let me know if I've forgotten anything...

Very impressive colours as always Matt. Thanks for sharing. I would like to know your purpose of dosing fluorine.


Thanks

Bulent
Thanks, Bulent! I have gone over that in the extremely long winded response above... Short answer: experiment to try to improve some blue colours...
 
Great thread!
Im still in the process of reading through it but wanted to ask this question.
I notice the fluctuations in N and P your having in your opinion just what is a safe fluctuation and how big of a change hurt your sps the most?
 
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Not at all.

Changing things in a successful reef tank is frequently rewarded with meltdowns and death.....


hey maxx, I missed this somehow.. thanks for the support, bro! :)
very true, what you say..

LOL...sorry, did not mean to come off as Debbie Downer there, but I find that to be true....


You're tank looks awesome.

I know Pife is having good luck with Lanthanum Chloride, I did not and wound up going to the ARID reactor.

Obviously, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

To be fair, I did not dose LC like Pife does. I used an IV bag and dripped it into my overflow, into a filter sock, and then my skimmer could pick it up.

I was never able to dial it correctly and wound up with a chalky white residue on my display tank glass which is indicative of over dosing.

This reminds me that I need to get ahold of Pife and see if he's interested in my old unused LC.....
 
Great thread!
Im still in the process of reading through it but wanted to ask this question.
I notice the fluctuations in N and P your having in your opinion just what is a safe fluctuation and how big of a change hurt your sps the most?
- forgot to mention.. If you really read this while thread, I'll owe you a dinner! And a Medal of Honor!
This is a very good question and one I can't really answer directly... It is a very complicated issue, imo..
I think that establishing stability or balance or some sort of equilibrium is an absolutely key component to any system.. It's THE key component.. That's no secret.
There are so many different levels to a reef tank.. Bacterial, algal, ionic and/or chemical, micro fauna/planktonic, nutrient..
All of these components take varying lengths of time to get established and come into some sort of balance with each other. And in any tank, these components establish themselves in different ways and over different timeframes..
I think that when a system is truly stable, nutrient swings are not as much of a stressor on corals..
In my experience, rising nutrients seem to be handled better than dropping nutrient levels.
And I think that when one of the big two nutrients is stable but the other fluctuates, it isn't as bad as having both go up or down at the same time.
I don't think my n has fluctuated more than 10 ppm throughout the life of this system. It's gone from 0 to 10 and back to somewhere in between..
P has had some dramatic swings over the past couple years probably from .02 up to about .2..
I think the most significant effect I ever saw nutrients have on my corals was when I went out of town and I had my mom feeding and adding less than I usually do when home.
There was significant fading in the corals over the course of a week but it wasn't dramatic..
This system, was rebooted about a year and a half ago but for a solid year before that, it had been running so it had established a fair bit of balance..
The fluctuations I have had since starting this thread have not had significant impact on the corals other than that one time when I was away. It took several months for the corals to regain their color but there were no fatalities.
So I can't really tell you how much of a shift is bad but I think I can say that a rapid drop has the most potential to damage corals.. I'm sure a rapid increase may brown corals out.. I've never had that happen to me though.
I guess it comes back to how you react to a situation.. Patience and moderation are always your best friends..
Not sure I really answered your question!

LOL...sorry, did not mean to come off as Debbie Downer there, but I find that to be true....


You're tank looks awesome.

I know Pife is having good luck with Lanthanum Chloride, I did not and wound up going to the ARID reactor.

Obviously, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

To be fair, I did not dose LC like Pife does. I used an IV bag and dripped it into my overflow, into a filter sock, and then my skimmer could pick it up.

I was never able to dial it correctly and wound up with a chalky white residue on my display tank glass which is indicative of over dosing.

This reminds me that I need to get ahold of Pife and see if he's interested in my old unused LC.....

Thanks for the compliment. Lately, I have gone back to Seachem Phosbond and it's keeping p at around .08. Higher than I would like but I think I'm just going to live with it for now...

So, lots o words in this page.. Here's a few not fantastic pics I took a couple days ago.. Was playing with contrasting colours a bit.. Gets more and more fun when the corals get closer together..
I'll try to take some new better photos this weekend..
Except for the blue blob in the foreground, his is all the same coral. The new growth is very different from the old..

Some contrast and depth of field..

Back a bit:

These two are getting close..

It's a jungle out there..
 
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This is a very good question and one I can't really answer directly... It is a very complicated issue, imo..
I think that establishing stability or balance or some sort of equilibrium is an absolutely key component to any system.. It's THE key component.. That's no secret.
There are so many different levels to a reef tank.. Bacterial, algal, ionic and/or chemical, micro fauna/planktonic, nutrient..
All of these components take varying lengths of time to get established and come into some sort of balance with each other. And in any tank, these components establish themselves in different ways and over different timeframes..
I think that when a system is truly stable, nutrient swings are not as much of a stressor on corals..
In my experience, rising nutrients seem to be handled better than dropping nutrient levels.
And I think that when one of the big two nutrients is stable but the other fluctuates, it isn't as bad as having both go up or down at the same time.
I don't think my n has fluctuated more than 10 ppm throughout the life of this system. It's gone from 0 to 10 and back to somewhere in between..
P has had some dramatic swings over the past couple years probably from .02 up to about .2..
I think the most significant effect I ever saw nutrients have on my corals was when I went out of town and I had my mom feeding and adding less than I usually do when home.
There was significant fading in the corals over the course of a week but it wasn't dramatic..
This system, was rebooted about a year and a half ago but for a solid year before that, it had been running so it had established a fair bit of balance..
The fluctuations I have had since starting this thread have not had significant impact on the corals other than that one time when I was away. It took several months for the corals to regain their color but there were no fatalities.
So I can't really tell you how much of a shift is bad but I think I can say that a rapid drop has the most potential to damage corals.. I'm sure a rapid increase may brown corals out.. I've never had that happen to me though.
I guess it comes back to how you react to a situation.. Patience and moderation are always your best friends..
Not sure I really answered your question!
You answered just fine i would say that my N03 doesn't fluctuate very much +-3 it usually stays closer to 0 but lately ive been feeding alot more and its now closer to 5. But my biggest problem is phos. it can fluctuate as much as .10 i do dose LC when it reaches above .10 and it brings it back down to around .03 or less but its a constant fight. But it makes me feel calmer about you saying that if one of the big nutrients is stabler that makes problems less likely.But i hope fluctuating phos and keeping N03 in check with vinegar will be a thing of the past when i get my L4 ATS from turboaquatics and then i can feed even more and it will be kept in check more naturally and no more LC additions it helps for sure but i dont want to keep adding chemicals.
 
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Awesome Matt, both the text and the pics. I love how super healthy your corals look.
Thanks, Mark! I'm sincerely hoping to see improvements on your end!


You answered just fine i would say that my N03 doesn't fluctuate very much +-3 it usually stays closer to 0 but lately ive been feeding alot more and its now closer to 5. But my biggest problem is phos. it can fluctuate as much as .10 i do dose LC when it reaches above .10 and it brings it back down to around .03 or less but its a constant fight. But it makes me feel calmer about you saying that if one of the big nutrients is stabler that makes problems less likely.

You may see a more stable p when you keep measurable levels of n in the system..
Having said all I said, I would still caution against constant swings in p like that. You should really try to fine tune your LC doses. Or.. Not worry too much about a reading of .1..
I wouldn't be too comfortable with a deliberate regular swing of p between .03 and .1..
 
Matt, you have amazing colors, u need teach me :)

About ca reactor, I always have trouble keeping low KH, how you do your?

congratulation friend, very good job
 
Just wanted to touch base on you low potassium. I have had the same issue for a while. I dose s lot of vodka, venigar and -NP pro. I skim with HUGE skimmers as well. In you experience is this the main reason for your low potassium? I have to dose it daily, AF kalium at full dose and I use red sea potassium and boron. I am going to try putting a homemade potassium mix on a doser but haven't found a good way to dissolve a decent amount into water without it mixing chslky at the bottom. Like you I am guessing that the bacteria I am creating is eating most of the potassium as well as the huge skimmer that has three 1262 needlewheels and three mazzei injectors, plus a big bubbleking in the sump. I use a separate tank filled with live rock to dose my carbon sources and I run the big skimmer directly off that tank. I have found this makes it easier to dose a lot of carbon source without bacteria blooms. I do get some bacterial mass making it to the sump but it hasn't been a problem yet.

What is the most potent potassium supplement you have tried yet?
 
Matt, you have amazing colors, u need teach me :)

About ca reactor, I always have trouble keeping low KH, how you do your?

congratulation friend, very good job
Thanks, Leo! That means a lot coming from an artist like you.
Because I do not use a ph probe on my ca reactor, I have always controlled it the same way: I get a constant flow of water through the reactor and adjust co2 input to control calc/alk production. I have installed a small pump on the input (very small pump so as to not create a lot of pressure) this pump is inside a mesh bag to reduce particulates getting into he control valve that controls the flow through the reactor. Once I have a flow I am happy with, I do the rest by increasing or decreasing co2 production. About 4 months ago, I added a second chamber of reactor media on the effluent to help absorb excess co2 and get better production out of the reactor in general. It has helped.
Because I run my reactor this way, the control valve is prone to clogging and reducing flow. For his reason, I have an unusually high flow through rate in an attemp to keep clogging to a minimum (along with he mesh bag). It has been working well for me. This probably forces me to use more co2 than really necessary, however.. Ideally, I should use a dosing pump to feed the reactor..
I found this method to be extremely easy for controlling kh..

Just wanted to touch base on you low potassium. I have had the same issue for a while. I dose s lot of vodka, venigar and -NP pro. I skim with HUGE skimmers as well. In you experience is this the main reason for your low potassium? I have to dose it daily, AF kalium at full dose and I use red sea potassium and boron. I am going to try putting a homemade potassium mix on a doser but haven't found a good way to dissolve a decent amount into water without it mixing chslky at the bottom. Like you I am guessing that the bacteria I am creating is eating most of the potassium as well as the huge skimmer that has three 1262 needlewheels and three mazzei injectors, plus a big bubbleking in the sump. I use a separate tank filled with live rock to dose my carbon sources and I run the big skimmer directly off that tank. I have found this makes it easier to dose a lot of carbon source without bacteria blooms. I do get some bacterial mass making it to the sump but it hasn't been a problem yet.

What is the most potent potassium supplement you have tried yet?

Hey piper, I really don't know why I have had consistantly low k levels.. I don't use a lot of carbon dosing but I do wet skim..
I found kz to be lacking in their potassium supplements. Currently, I'm dosing kno3 (seachem flourish nitrogen) but haven't really dialed in a dose to maintain both nitrates and potassium.. I'm playing with that..
The strongest potassium supplement I have used is a crystal form. I have a bunch of Brightwell's Potassion-p. Before Bayer, I used to use it for dipping new corals for aefw..
No liquid potassium supplements will be as strong as the solid forms.. I think you'll have to play with the amount that will dissolve in water before becoming saturated... But it sounds like you are going through a lot of potassium....
Which test kit do you use?
I recently bought the salifert kit and I will never use another kit again! It's so easy to use..
 
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