Leave that fish in the ocean

[epicurus84]

Any fish over 20 inch. Since 99% of the aquaria are to small to give them a proper house.

Any big preditor. (aka sharks), and any fish that are needed to clean them (so cleaner wrasses should be cought reallly carefull)

However for large displays it usefull if we can breed tangs and other populair aquarium fish. I hope zoo will start with that sooner then later

 

[Fishfirst]

how so?

Global climate change, pollution, overpopulation, ocean acidification, sedimentation, overfishing and the eventual collapse of the ecosystems that harbor these animals. In my opinion these things have already gone past the point of no return and is inevitably going to destroy what is left. We must learn what we can, while we can, to save what we can.

 

[aandfsoccr04]

linckia starfish.

 

[albano]

Global climate change, pollution, overpopulation, ocean acidification, sedimentation, overfishing and the eventual collapse of the ecosystems that harbor these animals. In my opinion these things have already gone past the point of no return and is inevitably going to destroy what is left. We must learn what we can, while we can, to save what we can.

IMO...the 'hobbiest' is not going to save these fish, the ecosystems or the planet

 

[Ambition]

We should stop breeding them in captivity also. I believe something like 21 out of the 26 (or more) Orcas SW owns in the USA are scarily closely related to eachother, lots of inbreeding going on. Along with the fact that they breed different kinds of Orcas leading to hybrids which couldn't survive in the wild and couldn't be used for scientific studies therefor can't be called "conservation" because they in no way help wild Orcas.

Inbreeding is nothing new to the world of captive bred aquarium animals. Various commercial breeders have probably done a number on that front with clownfish (probably the biggest group affected in SW aquaria). Also, on a related note, you can tell most FW fish are inbred. Balloon mollies, various cichlids (noticed it when I was going to breed dwarf cichlids), etc. Sadly, it is nothing new. Long term, various fish will need to be WC for the purpose of breeding in captivity. One of the local clown breeders here has a WC clown in most of his pairs to get new bloodlines going, and I am glad that he does that.

 

[ReeferKimberly]

Inbreeding is nothing new to the world of captive bred aquarium animals. Various commercial breeders have probably done a number on that front with clownfish (probably the biggest group affected in SW aquaria). Also, on a related note, you can tell most FW fish are inbred. Balloon mollies, various cichlids (noticed it when I was going to breed dwarf cichlids), etc. Sadly, it is nothing new. Long term, various fish will need to be WC for the purpose of breeding in captivity. One of the local clown breeders here has a WC clown in most of his pairs to get new bloodlines going, and I am glad that he does that.

Oh I get ya on that. I just mean SW claims they are for conservation of Orcas when they are anyhing but, that's all. Call it like it is, making money off them doing tricks, just don't try to fool the public into thinking riding a whale is educational. I am also against it because the median age of Orcas in captivity is 4years old when they can live to over 100 in the wild (that is not common, but it is possible, and not taking that into account, they should still be living a good 30-50 years on average). They just don't do well in captivity, like many fish in this thread (yes I know, mammals )

(can you tell someone hates SeaWorld)

 

[ReeferKimberly]

Inbreeding is nothing new to the world of captive bred aquarium animals. Various commercial breeders have probably done a number on that front with clownfish (probably the biggest group affected in SW aquaria). Also, on a related note, you can tell most FW fish are inbred. Balloon mollies, various cichlids (noticed it when I was going to breed dwarf cichlids), etc. Sadly, it is nothing new. Long term, various fish will need to be WC for the purpose of breeding in captivity. One of the local clown breeders here has a WC clown in most of his pairs to get new bloodlines going, and I am glad that he does that.

Oh I get ya on that. I just mean SW claims they are for conservation of Orcas when they are anyhing but, that's all. Call it like it is, making money off them doing tricks, just don't try to fool the public into thinking riding a whale is educational. I am also against it because the average lifespan of Orcas in captivity is less than 9 years old when they can live to over 100 in the wild (that is not common, but it is possible, and not taking that into account, they should still be living a good 30-50 years on average). They just don't do well in captivity, like many fish in this thread (yes I know, mammals )

(can you tell someone hates SeaWorld)

 

[mgraf]

At current rates of global warming, polution, and reef destruction.....soon most fish will be better off in an aquarium

 

[BrianD]

Let's not go down that road.

 

[ReeferKimberly]

k, no worries

 

[pinnatus]

I'd say a case can be made for leaving all the fish in the ocean. That is where they belong. Same can be said for zoos, and pets. But, things that were impossible to keep a few years ago are now thriving in peoples aquariums. I have had a Moorish Idol for 3 1/2 years so far. I think it is a personal choice as to whether you believe that things should be left in the ocean or not, and likely you will have as many opinions as there are people on the earth.

 

[TheGodParticle]

I'd say a case can be made for leaving all the fish in the ocean. That is where they belong. Same can be said for zoos, and pets. But, things that were impossible to keep a few years ago are now thriving in peoples aquariums. I have had a Moorish Idol for 3 1/2 years so far. I think it is a personal choice as to whether you believe that things should be left in the ocean or not, and likely you will have as many opinions as there are people on the earth.

I see where you are going with this but your Idol is the exception not the rule. 1,000 of them probably died for 1 to live that long in captivity. People on here have kept Ribbon Eels as well, but that doesn't mean we should encourage people to buy them. Lots and lots die before one person has success with one. (not saying you said that.)

 

[ReeferKimberly]

I have seen a blue ribbon in someones tank..... It was dead Such a shame it was.

 

[Sheol]

Well, 20 years ago, I had a different opinion about dolphins & marine mammals in captivity. Of course, I did work doing marine mammal rescues. Which were usually funerals at first, but eventually we had success. Even being able to release some dolphins back into the wild.
Unfortunately, without Sea World & its exploitation, most people would still consider Orcas killers only. That said, they have done their job, no Orca in captivity is a happy animal. Its time to stop the Circus acts, I think. These are incredibly intelligent & complex animals with brains larger than **** Sapiens. They get my vote as being on par with humans in intelligence. As do elephants, but that is a seperate issue...
Back to fish..
Large Moray eels, Ribbon eels, Stonefish ( and they are truly UGLY! LOL), sharks, rays, 50% of Butterflyfish, large groupers, Jacks, Remoras, Cleaner wrasses, Parrotfish,..
For a short list, anyway.

Sincerely,
Matthew

 

[Dr Colliebreath]

This is my thinking on this subject as well. More the idea of species that shouldn't be offered casually at a LFS on aregular basis sort of deal...

I agree with this. Many of the fish mentioned above can do rather well in an aquarium if properly cared for. It probably wouldn't work, but perhaps better education of new hobbyists, fish stores dividing their inventory into beginner, intermediate, and expert section, etc. would help.

 

[Fishfirst]

IMO...the 'hobbiest' is not going to save these fish, the ecosystems or the planet

Seems as though clownfish, mushroom corals, and the like are doomed then... Epic fail!

 

[Chad Vossen]

Damsels. Leave them in the freakin ocean

 

[Roadki11]

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But seriously, I can see the case for both sides, and there was a good article in Coral a while ago about Bangaii Cardinal and how if problems occur in their small area they habitate naturally, the only ones left would be in aquariums.

 

[BrianD]

Let's not go down that road.