flying_dutchman
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How is your tank doing? And how was France?
Leonardo's Lagoon
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mariusz621
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15647262#post15647262 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Leonardo_
Reefer08, I dose it for a few years now, I already dosed it in my Formosa Forest.
In that time I noticed an increase in growth and volume of the sponges.
I found an old and a newer picture:
See the red Dragon pump for size comparison
I now dose 0.25 gram of creatine per day. The TM Reef-Actif also seems to feed the sponges btw.
Thanks Moses and LUVSPS for your compliment!
Leonardo
Can I ask what sort of creatine do you use? Do you get that from sports shops?
You have a great tank!!!
DiazE, The foam with aluminum foil protects the bottom from cracking and keeps the tank better insulated. (the photo is a top-down-picture)
JCR's Reef; Thanks!! Sponges don't like very high flow. A little detritus in a Cryptic Refugium isn't that bad
I use Creatine Monohydrate powder, added to some RO water and directly in the tank.
flying_dutchman; Tank is doing okay, practically on autopilot except feeding and WC
France was great, I had a good time surfing and enjoying the sea and sun
NanoCube-boy; They're not so hard to kill Just dry them out (15 minutes out of the water), a FW dip, or just blast them with light.
mariusz621, ataylo13, PLANKT0s; thanks for the positive responses and compliments!
Leonardo
JCR's Reef; Thanks!! Sponges don't like very high flow. A little detritus in a Cryptic Refugium isn't that bad
I use Creatine Monohydrate powder, added to some RO water and directly in the tank.flying_dutchman; Tank is doing okay, practically on autopilot except feeding and WC
France was great, I had a good time surfing and enjoying the sea and sun NanoCube-boy; They're not so hard to kill
Just dry them out (15 minutes out of the water), a FW dip, or just blast them with light.mariusz621, ataylo13, PLANKT0s; thanks for the positive responses and compliments!
Leonardo
Rickyrooz1
Acropora Nut
What is the benefit of creatine in a reef tank?
flying_dutchman
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Any pics? Anything will do
. To what university do you go? Leiden?
Hope the traffic jam to France wasn't too bad :lol:.
. To what university do you go? Leiden? Hope the traffic jam to France wasn't too bad :lol:.
After the crash of the Lagoon a few months ago I decided to rethink the tank-layout, aquascape etc.
Unfortunately the tank still haven't give me the pleasure and satisfaction that my previous tanks gave me. Thats why I decided to break down the Lagoon and rethink what I really want.
Thanks you all for the input, reactions and interest.
~Leonardo
Unfortunately the tank still haven't give me the pleasure and satisfaction that my previous tanks gave me. Thats why I decided to break down the Lagoon and rethink what I really want.
Thanks you all for the input, reactions and interest.
~Leonardo
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Rickyrooz1
Acropora Nut
What is the benefit of creatine in a reef tank?
André Silvestre
Reefaholic
Hello Leonardo,
I am sorry to see your insatisfaction with the tank but I totally agree with your point of view. The way the tank is ( and I don´t mean this in the negative way), it is more a LFS tank or an exhibit tank to show the coral pieces than the reef tank you planned out to be.
The truth is, in a tank with those measures it is very, very hard to achieve a natural and balanced layout because the tank simply doesn´t have the necessary height for just a coralscape.
The only way you could get away with a coralscape for that tank was to get small and particular pieces, like Acroporas staghorn-like in the background and Acroporas plate-like in the middle ground and maybe some LPS or Montiporas encrusting-like in the foreground and even like that it would be hard to position them accordingly without some rocks serving as reference.
IMHO, some rock or even a small layout of rock, built at the tank´s scale ( height), would be necessary in order to show the tank´s depth, to give detail to the composition and to serve as reference when it comes to coral placement.
Here´s an example
Tank has 15" of water and the base of the tank to the tallest point of the layout has 9". Small pieces of rock are puzzled to form one solid rock-island with a pronounced focal point and smaller pieces of rock are positioned in the extremities to distribute the tension lines and give the overall composition the detail I was talking about.
And, sorry for the long post.
Just wanted to give my two cents worth for what I consider to be a project with extreme potential.
Good luck.
Regards,
André
I am sorry to see your insatisfaction with the tank but I totally agree with your point of view. The way the tank is ( and I don´t mean this in the negative way), it is more a LFS tank or an exhibit tank to show the coral pieces than the reef tank you planned out to be.
The truth is, in a tank with those measures it is very, very hard to achieve a natural and balanced layout because the tank simply doesn´t have the necessary height for just a coralscape.
The only way you could get away with a coralscape for that tank was to get small and particular pieces, like Acroporas staghorn-like in the background and Acroporas plate-like in the middle ground and maybe some LPS or Montiporas encrusting-like in the foreground and even like that it would be hard to position them accordingly without some rocks serving as reference.
IMHO, some rock or even a small layout of rock, built at the tank´s scale ( height), would be necessary in order to show the tank´s depth, to give detail to the composition and to serve as reference when it comes to coral placement.
Here´s an example
Tank has 15" of water and the base of the tank to the tallest point of the layout has 9". Small pieces of rock are puzzled to form one solid rock-island with a pronounced focal point and smaller pieces of rock are positioned in the extremities to distribute the tension lines and give the overall composition the detail I was talking about.
And, sorry for the long post.
Just wanted to give my two cents worth for what I consider to be a project with extreme potential.
Good luck.
Regards,
André
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15747330#post15747330 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by André Silvestre
Hello Leonardo,
I am sorry to see your insatisfaction with the tank but I totally agree with your point of view. The way the tank is ( and I don´t mean this in the negative way), it is more a LFS tank or an exhibit tank to show the coral pieces than the reef tank you planned out to be.
The truth is, in a tank with those measures it is very, very hard to achieve a natural and balanced layout because the tank simply doesn´t have the necessary height for just a coralscape.
The only way you could get away with a coralscape for that tank was to get small and particular pieces, like Acroporas staghorn-like in the background and Acroporas plate-like in the middle ground and maybe some LPS or Montiporas encrusting-like in the foreground and even like that it would be hard to position them accordingly without some rocks serving as reference.
IMHO, some rock or even a small layout of rock, built at the tank´s scale ( height), would be necessary in order to show the tank´s depth, to give detail to the composition and to serve as reference when it comes to coral placement.
Here´s an example
Tank has 15" of water and the base of the tank to the tallest point of the layout has 9". Small pieces of rock are puzzled to form one solid rock-island with a pronounced focal point and smaller pieces of rock are positioned in the extremities to distribute the tension lines and give the overall composition the detail I was talking about.
And, sorry for the long post.
Just wanted to give my two cents worth for what I consider to be a project with extreme potential.
Good luck.
Regards,
André
Andre, thank you very much for taking the time to write the feedback, I really appreciate it.
I'm glad you also notice the difficulties of aquascaping a tank like this.
You maybe know that I'm a fan of little rock aquascapes. In this tank it is very difficult to create an appealing aquascape without the use of much liverock.
Besides that, and that is maybe the most important problem, I have to work with already large colonies. Fitting them in a new aquascape is so much harder then to start with smaller specimen and adjust the growth to the new conditions.
That's why I decided to break down this tank and sit back for a while thinking what I really want with this hobby.
leonardo
AgentSPS
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Leo-
Sorry to hear the lagoon didn't work out as planned. That said I am relieved to see you are not getting out completely as many of our cohorts have done this past year. Looking forward to hearing your plans for the next tank!
PS: Got me thinking bout creatine now. If I remember correctly, all it was designed to do in humans is allow our bodies to oxygenate better no? If correct, how does that translate to sponge growth? How does it incorporate into the sponge? What about corals?
Sorry to hear the lagoon didn't work out as planned. That said I am relieved to see you are not getting out completely as many of our cohorts have done this past year. Looking forward to hearing your plans for the next tank!
PS: Got me thinking bout creatine now. If I remember correctly, all it was designed to do in humans is allow our bodies to oxygenate better no? If correct, how does that translate to sponge growth? How does it incorporate into the sponge? What about corals?
jnarowe
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I am well and thanks for asking. Still not enough time in the day though!
Regarding your tank and future tanks, I see value in all sorts of different aquascaping, whether it be for a "natural" look, flow, light, sand, no sand, specimen, etc. The tank you have now would lend itself well to a specimen tank along the lines of clams, symbiotic shrimp, or even breeding.
One thing you can do is look to other hobbies for inspiration. For instance, model railroads have their own set of visual obstacles, which are somewhat similar to reef tanks. You have a limited amount of space to create your vision of reality. So how do you do that?
Well, for starters you have tunnels that allow the trains to go out-of-sight for a period. This provides the mind's eye with a kernal of realism. In my tank, the fish could move about the tank unseen for extended periods. You never know where it would pop back out, and this adds to the realism. Rather than seeing a fish swimming about in a box, you got a slice of reef.
Perspective is very important as well. Good aquascaping depends heavily on how the tank will be viewed, from what angle, etc. In my next large tank, I will build it so the bottom cannot be seen. Good for realism as well as the health of he fish.
Just some thoughts for you. I really admire shallow rimless tanks for the art of the tank itself, but that's a whole different subject!
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15748286#post15748286 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
I am well and thanks for asking. Still not enough time in the day though!
Regarding your tank and future tanks, I see value in all sorts of different aquascaping, whether it be for a "natural" look, flow, light, sand, no sand, specimen, etc. The tank you have now would lend itself well to a specimen tank along the lines of clams, symbiotic shrimp, or even breeding.
One thing you can do is look to other hobbies for inspiration. For instance, model railroads have their own set of visual obstacles, which are somewhat similar to reef tanks. You have a limited amount of space to create your vision of reality. So how do you do that?
Well, for starters you have tunnels that allow the trains to go out-of-sight for a period. This provides the mind's eye with a kernal of realism. In my tank, the fish could move about the tank unseen for extended periods. You never know where it would pop back out, and this adds to the realism. Rather than seeing a fish swimming about in a box, you got a slice of reef.
Perspective is very important as well. Good aquascaping depends heavily on how the tank will be viewed, from what angle, etc. In my next large tank, I will build it so the bottom cannot be seen. Good for realism as well as the health of he fish.
Just some thoughts for you. I really admire shallow rimless tanks for the art of the tank itself, but that's a whole different subject!
Thanks for the response Jonathan
You got me thinking... I hope you can give more feedback if I come with a new project sometime leonardo
