Tripod1404
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Which consensus?
It makes them resistant to ich, not 100% immune. They can still carry it while being completely asymptomatic. So TTM will still work in braking the life cycle of little number of parasites these fish carry.
Leopard Wrasses?
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Which consensus?
It makes them resistant to ich, not 100% immune. They can still carry it while being completely asymptomatic. So TTM will still work in braking the life cycle of little number of parasites these fish carry.
Thornbreaker
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I did say "largely". Implying less than 100%.
They could. But it's highly rare, and when it occurs it's likely because the health of the mandarin is already deteriorated, compromising its coat.
See Sk8rs post on the subject.
I'm not saying one can't TTM or that it's not good for you or that there is 0 risk, but that others here by and large roll the dice knowing the risk and believe it to be worth the one exception, which you're absolutely right should never be done for other fish.
A 5 gallon TTM set up puts a mandarin in a small space with little food and constantly moves them. Such stress can weaken the fish or worse. You're better off not getting one if that's too much risk in one's opinion.
Leopards can easily be kept in a QT especially if they are eating everything. And some of the owners in the major thread on the subject have used TTM, while many simply QT at most believing the risk to be a hair more than for a mandarin.
For me, personally, from reviewing the major thread, risks are minimal if I get a leopard from a LFS where I can determine what it eats, and if it's from an isolated show tank where it's highly likely all the fish would be dead from velvet if it was carrying. (I also won't have expensive fish prior).
Others mileage will vary.
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Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
I worry much more about velvet, Brook, and flukes than I do about Ich. I don't use TTM for QT practice, though it is very effective.
hkgar
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Exactly. I have used a Tupperware dish with sand in a QT tank. I just completed a TTM with a Carpenter and Red Head Salon wrasses and they did just fine. At night just wedged under a piece of round (2") PVC
Hey guys,
Got my two beautiful Leopard Wrasses (meleagris) from LA yesterday. They played dead for a while after I put them in a QT but started swimming shortly after.
Placed a glass container with sand in the tank and a couple of PVC elbows just in case.
I also got some live brine shrimp the day before to welcome them with a good meal but right before meal time they decided to bury themselves in the sand. I still threw a portion in the tank hoping the fish would notice and come out but when I saw some of the tiny shrimps landing on something odd in the sand I decided to gently stick the handle of my net in to poke a bit.
Pushed one of the wrasses out that was a bit stiff but sure enough it jumped right into the sand again and I left it alone.
They seem to be some heave sleepers because it is almost 12h later and they are still nowhere to be found. I dont plan in putting any more shrimp until I see them out.
Q: Should I just wait for them to come out on their own?..is it normal behavior to stay buried for so long?
Got my two beautiful Leopard Wrasses (meleagris) from LA yesterday. They played dead for a while after I put them in a QT but started swimming shortly after.
Placed a glass container with sand in the tank and a couple of PVC elbows just in case.
I also got some live brine shrimp the day before to welcome them with a good meal but right before meal time they decided to bury themselves in the sand. I still threw a portion in the tank hoping the fish would notice and come out but when I saw some of the tiny shrimps landing on something odd in the sand I decided to gently stick the handle of my net in to poke a bit.
Pushed one of the wrasses out that was a bit stiff but sure enough it jumped right into the sand again and I left it alone.
They seem to be some heave sleepers because it is almost 12h later and they are still nowhere to be found. I dont plan in putting any more shrimp until I see them out.
Q: Should I just wait for them to come out on their own?..is it normal behavior to stay buried for so long?
scooter31707
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I was prepared for them the second time around. First time around, I used full dosage of Prazi-Pro and about 10 minutes later they were dead. I did not use the TTM with them and use the half dosage of Prazi-Pro. As mentioned before, used a tubberware bowl full of sand. I actually let my QT cycle and I use a couple of rocks from the DT with pods in there and I added some pods. Let them stay in there for about 6 weeks. Have had them for almost a year now and they are now just trying pellets. They will murder some frozen food and flakes.
Thank you!. I was planning in doing prazy in the next couple of days once I see them happy but I'll half the dose then.
Plan is to keep them there for as long as I need until they start eating frozen food at least, as my QT is not cycled.
I do have a container with sand, and I assume they are in there taking a long nap. Hopefully they are more outgoing than bill's.
I suppose then I should still feed some live shrimp daily then??...I mean, in case they come out at night.
Plan is to keep them there for as long as I need until they start eating frozen food at least, as my QT is not cycled.
I do have a container with sand, and I assume they are in there taking a long nap. Hopefully they are more outgoing than bill's.
I suppose then I should still feed some live shrimp daily then??...I mean, in case they come out at night.
TTM my leopard wrasse for QT. Was no harder than any other fish except having to fill a small tupperware with sand for it to sleep in. Used prazipro with TTM as well, no ill effects to the med.
Immediately took to frozen and prepared foods, even eats flake food, so it wasn't finicky at all in my experience.
I've never bothered with cycling during TTM, since you'll be 100% changing everything anyway. I just drop in some ammonia neutralizer (I use Seachem SAFE) every day, no problems.
Immediately took to frozen and prepared foods, even eats flake food, so it wasn't finicky at all in my experience.
I've never bothered with cycling during TTM, since you'll be 100% changing everything anyway. I just drop in some ammonia neutralizer (I use Seachem SAFE) every day, no problems.
biecacka
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Bill's wrasses are simply stunning!! Every time I go there I stare at them, beautiful fish. They make me want to get a pair!:hmm5:
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So, no much luck in my first try. First wrasse passed on his 4th day at QT. No medication at all added, nothing extra, just a container with sand, a couple of PVC, filter and air stone.
Fed them live brine shrimp and occasional frozen mysis to see if they'd go for it.
Immediately moved the other one to the DT just in case and did well the first two days, it was hidden all day yesterday only to find him struggling at the bottom of the tank this morning. I expect to find it gone when I return home this evening.
Not sure what I could have done differently.
Fed them live brine shrimp and occasional frozen mysis to see if they'd go for it.
Immediately moved the other one to the DT just in case and did well the first two days, it was hidden all day yesterday only to find him struggling at the bottom of the tank this morning. I expect to find it gone when I return home this evening.
Not sure what I could have done differently.
hkgar
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So, no much luck in my first try. First wrasse passed on his 4th day at QT. No medication at all added, nothing extra, just a container with sand, a couple of PVC, filter and air stone.
Fed them live brine shrimp and occasional frozen mysis to see if they'd go for it.
Immediately moved the other one to the DT just in case and did well the first two days, it was hidden all day yesterday only to find him struggling at the bottom of the tank this morning. I expect to find it gone when I return home this evening.
Not sure what I could have done differently.
How did you acclimate the Wrasses when putting them into the QT? Wrasses do not ship well and will succumb to ammonia poisoning if not properly introduced to the QT, or preferably TTM. I lost a few wrasses from LA before I saw this thread.
Also, Did you match SG of the QT to the SG of the shipping water. LA ships from two different locations and sg can be either 1.017 or 1.019
Link is broken, but I did read a thread about wrasses that may be the same you are referring to. Different experiences. I acclimated them pouring small amounts of water into the shipping bag for over the recommended time. Just like LA suggests.
The second wrasse, the one I left with no hope this AM, was doing fine in the DT for two days and that tank is well established. All other fish are fine.
I normally to TTM to all my fish but I wanted to be as gentle as possible with the wrasses given their particular acclimation issues, so I skipped it.
I'll get replacements from LA, I should probably acclimate them directly into the DT this time around.
hkgar
Active member
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DO NOT acclimate directly to the DT. Use the TTM to make sure you are not infesting the display with ICK.
The drip acclimation may very well be what caused the death. It is a significant cause of ammonia poisoning.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1959576
Here is a working link, i hope.
crawlerman
Member
I used to have a lot of new fish die in the first month until I read that sticky and started following it. Almost all of my fish now live long past that point. Ironically the one that didn't make it to a month was leopard wrasse. Rarely came out over 3 weeks and was skinnier each time.
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