chgoblknazn
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Did this stuff work?
Lets try this No Ich stuff
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MrTuskfish
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If the stuff worked, it would be shouted from the rooftops. You wouldn't have to go back to a 4 year old thread to find info.
I think my question is very basic, but ohhh the Controversy.....
Does Ich in some form reside in "almost" all tanks?
or
is there a way to have absolutely None?
I started a 375 Reef Combo with Marco Dry Rock and Reef Crystals.
I was especially careful to start with ALL virgin components. I did not reuse, recycle anything. tank
cycling was started with Dr.Tims One and Only.
Salifin Tang had been quarantined in a 75gal and happy waiting for his new home for almost a year
along with a Beta, Flame Hawk and Long nose hawk.
All went in and happy for 3 months. No fish added....
then one day.... whammo... sailfin has spots????
Is there another place more approprate to discuss this? new thread?
Does Ich in some form reside in "almost" all tanks?
or
is there a way to have absolutely None?
I started a 375 Reef Combo with Marco Dry Rock and Reef Crystals.
I was especially careful to start with ALL virgin components. I did not reuse, recycle anything. tank
cycling was started with Dr.Tims One and Only.
Salifin Tang had been quarantined in a 75gal and happy waiting for his new home for almost a year
along with a Beta, Flame Hawk and Long nose hawk.
All went in and happy for 3 months. No fish added....
then one day.... whammo... sailfin has spots????
Is there another place more approprate to discuss this? new thread?
Spar
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Probably a new thread so you get more directed attention.
Be sure to mention what your QT method was for those fish, and how long you let other wet-things go fallow before adding them to the DT. Will target where things went wrong.
This may be an old thread, but it still shows up very highly in search results, so I feel it is important to add my experience with No-Ich from Fish Vet.
I have a 90G reef and 55G FOWLR that are a combined system. I had a severe outbreak of ich that hit my blue and Tomini tang particularly hard. The system had not had any un-quarantined fish added, and both affected fish had been in the aquarium for close to 6 months, so I am not sure what triggered the outbreak, but it was a time of significant desperation. After reading several reviews and forum posts for the best cures, I had decided to go the more traditional route with either hypo-salinity or copper in a QT.
After several days of failures to get my fish out of the display (I wasn't really willing to add the stress of pulling every single piece of live rock to get the fish out) I decided to try the No-Ich. At this point I had resigned myself to possibly losing the fish, but had to try something.
After dosing at a rate of 300mL qod for about a week and then 300mL eod for about 3 more weeks, I feel I can answer the question about its efficacy from my own personal experience.
YES
Not only did every fish survive and heal completely, but I did not suffer any losses of inverts or corals (I have BTA's, zoa's, mushrooms, other softies, and various other inverts). It has been almost 1 year with absolutely no signs of symptoms of any diseases on any of my fish, and all inhabitants have been doing great for the last year (except for a lionfish that went carpet surfing a few days ago...)
I would wholeheartedly recommend this as an alternative treatment if the traditional options are not possible. It is obvious that the body of evidence for the efficacy of copper and hypo are much more complete, so I would consider those to be "top tier" candidates for treatment, but if they are going to be too difficult, I would highly recommend you give No-Ich a try.
I have a 90G reef and 55G FOWLR that are a combined system. I had a severe outbreak of ich that hit my blue and Tomini tang particularly hard. The system had not had any un-quarantined fish added, and both affected fish had been in the aquarium for close to 6 months, so I am not sure what triggered the outbreak, but it was a time of significant desperation. After reading several reviews and forum posts for the best cures, I had decided to go the more traditional route with either hypo-salinity or copper in a QT.
After several days of failures to get my fish out of the display (I wasn't really willing to add the stress of pulling every single piece of live rock to get the fish out) I decided to try the No-Ich. At this point I had resigned myself to possibly losing the fish, but had to try something.
After dosing at a rate of 300mL qod for about a week and then 300mL eod for about 3 more weeks, I feel I can answer the question about its efficacy from my own personal experience.
YES
Not only did every fish survive and heal completely, but I did not suffer any losses of inverts or corals (I have BTA's, zoa's, mushrooms, other softies, and various other inverts). It has been almost 1 year with absolutely no signs of symptoms of any diseases on any of my fish, and all inhabitants have been doing great for the last year (except for a lionfish that went carpet surfing a few days ago...)
I would wholeheartedly recommend this as an alternative treatment if the traditional options are not possible. It is obvious that the body of evidence for the efficacy of copper and hypo are much more complete, so I would consider those to be "top tier" candidates for treatment, but if they are going to be too difficult, I would highly recommend you give No-Ich a try.
i am still 100% skeptical.
chances are, your fish were just very healthy to begin with, fought the parasite, survived, and continue to thrive and you have had no occurrences of stress, etc., that would cause another outbreak.
i'm curious, have you added anything new (w/o quarantining) to your tank since this stuff "worked"?
Deinonych
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What is medical research but a string of enough anecdotes to be convincing? (In a controlled environment, of course) I am not even saying that this is the best (or even a highly effective) treatment. 5-Nitroimidizoles are a well known class of antibiotics and have anti-parasitic activity. This isn't just a concoction of herbs and extracts that offer a voodoo cure (I would more likely put garlic in that category than the No-Ich). I am just offering one opinion, based on personal and ANECDOTAL experience that I was pleased with the outcome and if I was ever faced with the choice again, I would use this product again.
If I were asked to offer advice on how to deal with an Ich infestation, I would recommend hypo or copper as the BEST and FIRST LINE options, but if someone felt it would be too difficult to clear out there tank and wanted to try something else, I would not hesitate for a second to recommend this product. I have used copper to treat ich in a QT tank several years ago, and it worked very well. This is just an alternative if the situation calls for it.
And to answer the other question - I don't typically add fish without quarantine, but I have added a few "lower risk" specimens with an abbreviated QT (such as a lion fish - they don't seem to be afflicted by typical diseases quite as easily as tangs tend to be). Also, even though my tanks share the same water, the return to my main reef display passes through a UV chamber, so the risk of something in my FOWLR passing into my display is lessened. I have even transferred a few specimens from my FOWLR to my main display that didn't go through QT (unless you consider their time in the FOWLR as the QT).
Deinonych
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Scientific and medical research both use the scientific method to arrive at their conclusions - the very antithesis of anecdotal evidence. So, they are not the same thing.
Yes, 5-Nitroimidizoles are indeed well-known antibiotic and anti-parasitic compounds. However, there is no evidence in marine biology literature that they are effective against Cryptocaryon irritans. If you choose to use it, that's great. I'm glad it worked for you. I wouldn't risk my fishes' health with it, though.
An alternative with no evidence to back up its efficacy. Copper can be an effective treatment option for Cryptocaryon, although I prefer Tank Transfer Method for a more reliable approach.
amcvay1979
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bottom line is this; it's nearly impossible to have a controlled test of ich in effected marine fish because you just can't measure how many parasites a fish has, how long they've had them and what stage of the cycle they're in without killing the host fish.
I'm convinced that ich is just going to a part of this hobby no matter how hard we all fight. There's a ton of empirical evidence that hypo and copper work, but there's also evidence of someone following 100% QT methods and STILL getting ich at some point (usually seen in a Tang) I think Tangs are just ich machines...so what do I do? I run a UV sterilizer (probably only 30 to 50% effective at eliminated free swimming parasites) I feed heavily when I notice 1 white spot on ANY fish and include Ginger (again, probably less than 25% effective) and I also feed CP food and caviar at least 3 times a week. Does any of this work? Maybe, but I don't have the time to monitor my DT and a hospital tank so No Ich will be added to my routine of the above mentioned methods in hope that suppressing even MOST of the parasites combined with healthy fish means I don't lose all fish to this nasty disease.
I'll say this, whomever develops a 100% reef safe effective cure for ich is going to be a fast millionaire!
I'm convinced that ich is just going to a part of this hobby no matter how hard we all fight. There's a ton of empirical evidence that hypo and copper work, but there's also evidence of someone following 100% QT methods and STILL getting ich at some point (usually seen in a Tang) I think Tangs are just ich machines...so what do I do? I run a UV sterilizer (probably only 30 to 50% effective at eliminated free swimming parasites) I feed heavily when I notice 1 white spot on ANY fish and include Ginger (again, probably less than 25% effective) and I also feed CP food and caviar at least 3 times a week. Does any of this work? Maybe, but I don't have the time to monitor my DT and a hospital tank so No Ich will be added to my routine of the above mentioned methods in hope that suppressing even MOST of the parasites combined with healthy fish means I don't lose all fish to this nasty disease.
I'll say this, whomever develops a 100% reef safe effective cure for ich is going to be a fast millionaire!
ThRoewer
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I stay away from tangs as far as I can, wouldn't touch them with a 10ft pole, let alone put one into my tank.
Spar
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it's impossible to truly know how they performed their procedures though to guarantee that they actually did follow the procedures 100%. we see it all the time where people demand that they followed the rules 100%; but then after a little prying you find out that they brought in a Mandarin and didn't QT 'because they are immune to ich', or someone brought in a bunch of CUC without fallow treating first 'because they can't host ich', etc, etc, etc.
there are so many things that people seem to think aren't necessary to QT for whatever reason, that likely comes back to bite them, yet they blame it on one of the major treatment methods being flawed instead.
rant being, that I will always side with that there is a missing part of the story when someone claims they followed rules 100% and still got Ich; but arguing on the internet always gets you to the same place!
amcvay1979
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Careful or someone will start dosing bleach in a last ditch effort to be ich free
amcvay1979
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Fwiw I'm having good luck with a combo of the anti parasite caviar cp pellets and ginger in every feeding. I have 2 tangs and one showed signs of white spots 2 days ago. Today he is spot free. I also increased temp to 83. Could all just be coincidence though but I'll still continue to feed this way.
Reefstarter2
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I've used a combination of a few things to beat Ich . I still think its in there laying dormant but heres what I did
Aquire some polyp lab medic , garlic , amino acids for fish , vitamin C for fish . mix all those in food and let soak .
dose the medic in your sump and watch where it may land in your display it can irritate corals but I saw no other ill effects using it . Follow the directions and keep at it . I was able to get my fish through in a 500 gallon system using this . Not sure if it was luck or what but thought I'd share it
Aquire some polyp lab medic , garlic , amino acids for fish , vitamin C for fish . mix all those in food and let soak .
dose the medic in your sump and watch where it may land in your display it can irritate corals but I saw no other ill effects using it . Follow the directions and keep at it . I was able to get my fish through in a 500 gallon system using this . Not sure if it was luck or what but thought I'd share it
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