Levamisole In-Tank Treatment for AEFW
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Hey Guys,
I have some bad news to report.. During my second treatment, I blew off the SPS with a MJ1200 and saw no flatworms in the process.. At the end of the treatment right after my WC, I decided to go at them one more time with my turkey baster and these B@stArd$ started flying of a couple of my colonies.. I was able to collect a few and dropped them into my remaining mixture of levamisole and after a few seconds, they peeled off the container and died... My guess is that the dosage is not strong enough.... That bothers me because I'm not sure how much stronger a dose the other inhabitants can take... I'm a little apprehensive about the next treatment... Any advice would be greatly appreciated..
I have some bad news to report.. During my second treatment, I blew off the SPS with a MJ1200 and saw no flatworms in the process.. At the end of the treatment right after my WC, I decided to go at them one more time with my turkey baster and these B@stArd$ started flying of a couple of my colonies.. I was able to collect a few and dropped them into my remaining mixture of levamisole and after a few seconds, they peeled off the container and died... My guess is that the dosage is not strong enough.... That bothers me because I'm not sure how much stronger a dose the other inhabitants can take... I'm a little apprehensive about the next treatment... Any advice would be greatly appreciated..
Bax
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jbanks
What is your total water volume?
3.75g should have treated 225 gallons of system water.
From what we are seeing here in terms of system health, you can increase the dose from 5grm/300gal. What each system can handle as a max dose is not a value that will be written in stone. I think it is wise to start at the 5grm/300gal and see how your system responds. In your case, can very likely increase your dose to the full 5 grams per treatment without out harm to the fish or corals.
I am curious why some peole using PROHIBIT are seeing these stuborn AEFWs that just wont perish. In my case all moving AEFWs seemed to die right away. From there it was addressing those hatching from eggs. I have to think it is variations in dosing strength from system to system and that ratcheting up the dose with each treatment until you see the desired result is the way to go. The VERMISOL issues we are seeing are another problem all together, probably due to purity.
I need to go back through this thread in detail and see what the highest dosing ratio any one has posted has been with good system responce. That would be our working range.
What is your total water volume?
3.75g should have treated 225 gallons of system water.
From what we are seeing here in terms of system health, you can increase the dose from 5grm/300gal. What each system can handle as a max dose is not a value that will be written in stone. I think it is wise to start at the 5grm/300gal and see how your system responds. In your case, can very likely increase your dose to the full 5 grams per treatment without out harm to the fish or corals.
I am curious why some peole using PROHIBIT are seeing these stuborn AEFWs that just wont perish. In my case all moving AEFWs seemed to die right away. From there it was addressing those hatching from eggs. I have to think it is variations in dosing strength from system to system and that ratcheting up the dose with each treatment until you see the desired result is the way to go. The VERMISOL issues we are seeing are another problem all together, probably due to purity.
I need to go back through this thread in detail and see what the highest dosing ratio any one has posted has been with good system responce. That would be our working range.
Tony B (UK)
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Dont forget that there are at least two types of AEFW that we are aware of.
There are the clear type, that are less aggresive (but still will kill acros) and, the brown/clear type that rapidly demolish acropora at a far faster pace.
It may be that these meds are more effective on certain types of AEFW.
Just to add even more confusion, there could even be 10+ or 20+ types of AEFW; just becuase they look the same, it does not mean they are; their origins may be very different. AEFW coming from certain oceans could have differing make ups, metabolism and resilience and tolerance to chemicals/meds could all differ. There's no reason why several types of AEFW can't come out of the same geographical location either.
So we are making a few assumptions, assuming that we a treating the same pest, when in reality we could be treating several types of pest, hence why some people have conflicting results.
Due to the fact there are some systems that buck the dosing trend, it would suggest the above is very possible.
Of course then there are other variables too. :hmm1:
A very interesting thread though. :thumbsup:
Tony
joeyvu
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I just dosed my third one yesterday with little modification:
This dose is 9th day from second dose.
Dose amount for total water volume with live rock and sand included, about 150gal...
I did not see any negative effect at all...My fish seems to know what is going on, none of them was hiding....Actually, my only chromis was out the whole time trying to catch little white thing floating....Some of them he spit out, some of them he swallowed....I did not baste any or my coral....
My serpent starfish did not die at first dose, die on second dose after three days, mess up my skimmer, flood my sump, shut down my main pump...My brother in law turned the main pump back on after called me ( I was on vacation)...not the skimmer....Everything was fine, only my salinity was down to 33.5, instead of 35...my po4 climb up from 0.02 to 0.05 (last night) and NO3 to 1ppm ( was 0 before) I did not add carbon back up yet, only turn on skimmer after 5.5 hour....
This dose is 9th day from second dose.
Dose amount for total water volume with live rock and sand included, about 150gal...
I did not see any negative effect at all...My fish seems to know what is going on, none of them was hiding....Actually, my only chromis was out the whole time trying to catch little white thing floating....Some of them he spit out, some of them he swallowed....I did not baste any or my coral....
My serpent starfish did not die at first dose, die on second dose after three days, mess up my skimmer, flood my sump, shut down my main pump...My brother in law turned the main pump back on after called me ( I was on vacation)...not the skimmer....Everything was fine, only my salinity was down to 33.5, instead of 35...my po4 climb up from 0.02 to 0.05 (last night) and NO3 to 1ppm ( was 0 before) I did not add carbon back up yet, only turn on skimmer after 5.5 hour....
Bax
Premium Member
Jonathan
If your system seems to be holding up the the initial dose, but the AEFWs are persiting ... Then yes, I'm saying increase the dose. So far I'm thinking once you see your system can handle it , push the dose by a gram per 300 gallons until you see the result of no more adult AEFWs.
In this case, you would push it to 6 grm/300 gal
If your system seems to be holding up the the initial dose, but the AEFWs are persiting ... Then yes, I'm saying increase the dose. So far I'm thinking once you see your system can handle it , push the dose by a gram per 300 gallons until you see the result of no more adult AEFWs.
In this case, you would push it to 6 grm/300 gal
Ok.. That means i need to get a scale for measurement. The Levamisole that that I am using is packed in 5gram packets.. Next treatment is this coming Sunday, So I will try to bump it up a notch.. Just abit worried about my fish, but it seems that they bounced back a lot quicker than they did after the first treatment.. Thanks Bax
Bax, when I treat, I usually leave my in-sump skimmer on, but remove the top so that the overflow just goes right back into the sump and mixes with the tank water again... My system is bacterial driven so, Oxygen depletion can come quick.. do you think this may be adversely affecting the treatment?
Ok joeyvu. I will consider leaving the skimmer off during te next treatment. My thoughts were if the foam was pouring right back into the sump, that it wouldnt negatively afftect the strenght of the medication, but I could be wrong. I do have aTunze stream in my sump that I keep running during th treatment.. This helps to dissipate the foam and mix it back into the tank water. Just mixing the medication with the air in the skimmer could possibly have some effect..
In your system, after treatment, have you basted your corals for any visible signs of AEFWs?
Thanks for sharing your experience
In your system, after treatment, have you basted your corals for any visible signs of AEFWs?
Thanks for sharing your experience
Bax
Premium Member
I'd have to agree with that. I keep the flow through the skimmer, but shut down the pump that drives my becketts. Running the skimmer may have removed some Levi from the the water ????
Bax
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I would think the MJ1200 would push plenty of water to knock off the AEFWs especially if they are groggy from slurping up the Levi ???
i just purchased 98% pure lev, not that i have AEFW now (had them before tho) but just in case so i can treat quickly.
also i have thought about using this as a coral dip over revive. what do you think? might try a hightly concentrated mix on a frag or two and leave for 10-15 minutes and see what happens.
also i have thought about using this as a coral dip over revive. what do you think? might try a hightly concentrated mix on a frag or two and leave for 10-15 minutes and see what happens.
clowndude
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I've been considering this for new frags also. Let us know if you find a dosage that works well?
jcolletteiii
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First dosage with Prohibit, fingers crossed that it is more effective than the Vermisol. Trying a dosage of 5.5g/300g. = approximately 0.7g of Prohibit in my 36g. tank. Will let it go for 4 hours then take out the coral that usually has the greatest number of aefw's, put in a separate container and turkey blast to see if there are any live flatties on it. Poor amphipods are already showing signs of discomfort 
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