BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Doh!
Luke you beat me to it and posted while I was typing.
Luke you beat me to it and posted while I was typing.
No I have not missed the point<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14074959#post14074959 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JACOXVIII
you missed the point
Sorry my friend, but you can't hold me to comments I have not made. Please try to keep what has been said in context to where it was and and why.my point is that these lights have much more intensity and spectrum then you give them credit
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14074796#post14074796 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by liveforphysics
By contrast, my 4x250w setup made around 70,000 lumens total, but wasted the bulk of this of this light doing things like giving the surface of my glass 150-300PAR, and making the whole room glow like a spaceship is landing.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14077219#post14077219 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Electrobes
I find this interesting and though the negativity we could do without, the debate/proof and showings is neat to observe. Thank you for sharing liveforphysics and I hope to see more... pics!
PS - That analogy was great.. thank you both LFP and Bean Animal for sharing... even I understood it
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14074868#post14074868 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BeanAnimal
JACO my friend, as I pointed out in the other thread, you have all sorts of things and contexts confused. Your making less sense than areze in your attempts to show him to be wrong.
As I pointed out in the other thread, and Luke has started to point out here...
Lets take a 10' x 10' tank and light it (2) ways.
First lets bath all 100 square feet with a 100% efficent light that consumes 100W even though only 50 square feet of that tank contain living creatures that need intense light. Lets assume that the light is even. So now we have about 1W intense light per sqaure foot of tank but 50W are being pretty much wasted.
Now lets bath that 100sq foot tank with 500W worth of light that is only 50% efficient. That is 250W worth of intense light entering the tank. Lets divide that light into 50 fixtures that produce 1 sqaure foot of intense light. That is 5W of intense light per each of the 50 zones. Lets call it 3W and some spillover into the "dark" areas.
So with setup #1 we use 1000W and lighjt the whole setup to the same intensity but only get about 1W of intensity in each of the 50 coral zones.
With setup #2 we use 500W of which only 250W is available but we get over 3W of intensity over each of the 50 coral zones and enough spillover to light the tank.
Setup #2 is much less efficient in terms of lumens (or PAR) per watt, but it uses a fraction of the electricity to provide the corals with MORE light where needed.
You just learned the difference between AREA (flood) lighting and ZONE (spot) lighting. Sometimes the most efficient technology is not the most efficient method.
Each method has pros and cons. In our case it is mostly aesthetics between the different types of lamps and combinations of lamps. If you do not like the "spotlight" look, then this is not for you at all. In Japan, the look has become the rage from what I have read.
Nobody said you did. Context my friend... you keep taking comments out of context to formulate your responses.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14080257#post14080257 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JACOXVIII
never have i said to use these a a flood light i have talked about spotlighting from the start
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14075033#post14075033 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BeanAnimal
No I have not missed the point
Sorry my friend, but you can't hold me to comments I have not made. Please try to keep what has been said in context to where it was and and why.
You have taken up a cause on (2) of these threads but done so with a very clear gap in understanding of the technology. You are riding the coat tails of other's remarks to frame your own comments and it is getting you in trouble
When responding, please try to keep my comments and your subsuquent remarks in context to the threads they were made in. You are mixing context between two threads and confusing several different aspects of the technology being discussed.
I am not here to quibble with you, but rather to participate in Luke's lighting discussion. Again, I aplaud your enthusiasm with regard to this subject, but don't step in too deep before you know where the bottom is.
I attempted (as did Luke) to explain why the automotive HID lamps may work out in his setup. I also pointed out that your counter "attacks" towards areze may be well intentioned, but are not really well supported. Lets move forward, shall we.
Personal attacks don't bode well here my friend.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14081281#post14081281 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JACOXVIII
sorry but man but your a jerk
Nobody said anything to the contrary. There is no point to debate here.in the other thread i have been all for these lights and the way LFP has used them
CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT! My remarks were aimed at hummermaniacs proposed use of the lights. Please, I beg you, stop taking remarks out of context. hummermaniacs did not propose "spotlight" style lighting with high intensity LED supplementation. My remarks in BOTH threads have been very clear, please keep them in context.your very first post over there that you posted in regards to hummermaniac88 wanting to use these hid bulbs is below
Originally posted by BeanAnimal
Your setup will work for a Fish Only tank, but will not suffice for a Reef Tank. The spectral output and intensity will not be correct.
or did you forget?