Lime Green stuff on the rocks

Freind

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Hello guys

I recently setup my new 12 gl tank. I used the dry rocks but I cured for few weeks before putting them into the tank.
If you see the picture there is a Lime Green stuff starts developing on some rocks. It structure looks like Carolina Algae. Anyone have any idea what it is.

2nd I have noticed that when ever we close the pump, few minutes later tiny air bubbles started coming from the rocks and I am curious why is that.

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I don't think so.. but i am no expert... from what I understand.. it is just a type green coraline algae..
I have the lime green stuff on rocks.. and it forms on my front glass where the power heads currents meet.. and I have little circles of green coraline..
Both of which I was told are the precursors to the pretty pink and purple coraline growths

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Correct...it's coraline...

Looks pretty...however, keep your scraper at the ready with replacement blades...
Lol yup... about every 3 days... my front glass gets foggy....
When I scraped it.. it kinda rolls up in little green fruit roll ups that go floating everywhere lol..

Nothing eats it.. except my urchin

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Its Always difficult to judge by a picture... but it looks and sounds to me the same as I have.. and it is calcareous type algae...

I have plenty of common algae in my tank as well...turf..gha..who knows what else ugh..... that's a while different story though

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Rocks are naturally not white. They are naturally covered:

What is Periphyton?

Periphyton is what turns your rocks different colors. You know... the white rocks you started with in SW, or the grey rocks (or brown wood) you started with in FW. After several months or years, the rocks become a variety of different colors and textures. Why? Because the periphyton that has grown on it is a mix of different living things, of different colors, and thicknesses. And the important part is: It is LIVING. And the thicker it is, the more natural it is.

That's right: The colored stuff that has coated your rocks is all living organisms. Sponges, microbes, algae, cyano, biofilms, and of course coralline. After all, "peri" means "around the outside", and "phyto" means "plant". Ever slipped while walking on rocks in a stream? That's probably periphyton that made it slippery. It's a very thin coating on the rocks, sometimes paper thin.

There is a lot of photosynthetic organisms in periphyton, and this of course means that they need light; but they need nutrients too (ammonia, nitrate, phosphate). And as you might figure, they will be on the illuminated portions of the rocks. And they will grow to intercept food particles in the water, based on the water flow. Just think about how sponges orient their holes for water flow; the micro sponges in periphyton do it too but on a tiny scale.

What about under the rocks, in the dark areas? Well these periphyton don't get light, so they are primarily filter feeders. So they REALLY grow and position themselves to be able to intercept food particles. And they don't really need to fight off algae, because algae does not grow in the dark, so they have no need for anti-algae tactics like periphyton in illuminated areas has.

Reef studies have shown that at certain depths, more of the filtering of the water comes from periphyton and benthic algae than comes from the phytoplankton which filters the deeper water. And in streams, almost all the filtering is done by periphyton. So, what you have on rocks that are "mature" or "established" is a well-developed layer of periphyton; and all the things that comes from it.

This is why mandarin fish can eat directly off the rocks of an "established" tank (tons of pods grow in and consume the periphyton), but not on the rocks of a new tank. Or why some animals can lay their eggs on established rocks, but not new ones. Or why established tanks seem to "yo-yo" less than new ones. Even tangs can eat periphyton directly when it's thick enough. Yes periphyton can also develop on the sand, but since the sand is moved around so much, the periphyton does not get visible like it does on rocks. So thick periphyton on established rocks is your friend. And totally natural too. That's why there are no pure white rocks in reefs. Keep in mind though I'm not referring to nuisance algae on rocks; I'm only referring to the very-thin layer of coloring that coats the rocks.

But what happens when you "scrub the stuff off your rocks"? Well you remove some of the periphyton, which means you remove some of your natural filter and food producer. What if you take the rocks out of the water and scrub them? Well now you not only remove more of your natural filter and food producer, but the air is going to kill even more of the microscopic sponges in it. And what if you bleach the rocks? Well, goodbye all filtering and food producing for another year. It's an instant reduction of the natural filtering that the periphyton was providing.

However, what if you just re-arrange the rocks? Well, some of the periphyton that was in the light, now will be in the dark; so this part will die. And some of the periphyton that was in the dark will now be in the light, so it will not be able to out-compete photosynthetic growth and thus will be covered and die too, for a while anyway. And even if the light stays the same, the direction and amount of water flow (and food particles) will change; sponges that were oriented to get food particles from one direction will now starve. So since the light and food supply is cut off, the filtering that the periphyton was providing stops almost immediately, due only to your re-arranging of the rocks.

Starvation takes a little longer. The periphyton organisms won't die immediately, since they have some energy saved up; but instead, they will wither away over several weeks. So on top of the instant reduction in filtering that you get by just moving the rocks, you get a somewhat stretched-out period of nutrients going back into the water. And after all this, it takes another long period of time for the periphyton to build up to the levels it was at before: 1 to 2 years. Even changing the direction of a powerhead will affect the food particle supply in the area it used to be pointed at.

So a good idea is to try to keep everything the same. Pick your lighting, flow, layout, and try to never move or change anything. In other words, just like the rocks on a reef. It's a different way of thinking, but you should have a stronger natural filter and food producer because of it.
 
I like all the different stuff and colors growing on the rocks and sand, I think it is more natural looking than a sterile looking tank.
Cheers! Mark
 
Rocks are naturally not white. They are naturally covered:

What is Periphyton?

Periphyton is what turns your rocks different colors. You know... the white rocks you started with in SW, or the grey rocks (or brown wood) you started with in FW. After several months or years, the rocks become a variety of different colors and textures. Why? Because the periphyton that has grown on it is a mix of different living things, of different colors, and thicknesses. And the important part is: It is LIVING. And the thicker it is, the more natural it is.

That's right: The colored stuff that has coated your rocks is all living organisms. Sponges, microbes, algae, cyano, biofilms, and of course coralline. After all, "peri" means "around the outside", and "phyto" means "plant". Ever slipped while walking on rocks in a stream? That's probably periphyton that made it slippery. It's a very thin coating on the rocks, sometimes paper thin.

There is a lot of photosynthetic organisms in periphyton, and this of course means that they need light; but they need nutrients too (ammonia, nitrate, phosphate). And as you might figure, they will be on the illuminated portions of the rocks. And they will grow to intercept food particles in the water, based on the water flow. Just think about how sponges orient their holes for water flow; the micro sponges in periphyton do it too but on a tiny scale.

What about under the rocks, in the dark areas? Well these periphyton don't get light, so they are primarily filter feeders. So they REALLY grow and position themselves to be able to intercept food particles. And they don't really need to fight off algae, because algae does not grow in the dark, so they have no need for anti-algae tactics like periphyton in illuminated areas has.

Reef studies have shown that at certain depths, more of the filtering of the water comes from periphyton and benthic algae than comes from the phytoplankton which filters the deeper water. And in streams, almost all the filtering is done by periphyton. So, what you have on rocks that are "mature" or "established" is a well-developed layer of periphyton; and all the things that comes from it.

This is why mandarin fish can eat directly off the rocks of an "established" tank (tons of pods grow in and consume the periphyton), but not on the rocks of a new tank. Or why some animals can lay their eggs on established rocks, but not new ones. Or why established tanks seem to "yo-yo" less than new ones. Even tangs can eat periphyton directly when it's thick enough. Yes periphyton can also develop on the sand, but since the sand is moved around so much, the periphyton does not get visible like it does on rocks. So thick periphyton on established rocks is your friend. And totally natural too. That's why there are no pure white rocks in reefs. Keep in mind though I'm not referring to nuisance algae on rocks; I'm only referring to the very-thin layer of coloring that coats the rocks.

But what happens when you "scrub the stuff off your rocks"? Well you remove some of the periphyton, which means you remove some of your natural filter and food producer. What if you take the rocks out of the water and scrub them? Well now you not only remove more of your natural filter and food producer, but the air is going to kill even more of the microscopic sponges in it. And what if you bleach the rocks? Well, goodbye all filtering and food producing for another year. It's an instant reduction of the natural filtering that the periphyton was providing.

However, what if you just re-arrange the rocks? Well, some of the periphyton that was in the light, now will be in the dark; so this part will die. And some of the periphyton that was in the dark will now be in the light, so it will not be able to out-compete photosynthetic growth and thus will be covered and die too, for a while anyway. And even if the light stays the same, the direction and amount of water flow (and food particles) will change; sponges that were oriented to get food particles from one direction will now starve. So since the light and food supply is cut off, the filtering that the periphyton was providing stops almost immediately, due only to your re-arranging of the rocks.

Starvation takes a little longer. The periphyton organisms won't die immediately, since they have some energy saved up; but instead, they will wither away over several weeks. So on top of the instant reduction in filtering that you get by just moving the rocks, you get a somewhat stretched-out period of nutrients going back into the water. And after all this, it takes another long period of time for the periphyton to build up to the levels it was at before: 1 to 2 years. Even changing the direction of a powerhead will affect the food particle supply in the area it used to be pointed at.

So a good idea is to try to keep everything the same. Pick your lighting, flow, layout, and try to never move or change anything. In other words, just like the rocks on a reef. It's a different way of thinking, but you should have a stronger natural filter and food producer because of it.
I read that here recently studying your posts from years ago and making an upflow ats for my tank..
It deffenatly made me look at my Rock a while lot different!!

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Rocks are naturally not white. They are naturally covered:
Periphyton
Thank you for the detail reply. Your detail info arises several questions in my mind. I have another tank, which never had this kind of things.
1. I started this new tank almost from scratch. The sand was live but I purchased the sand from the same store I purchased it for my other tank.
2. To cure the rocks by taking out some seeder rocks from my older tank.

So I wonder how Periphyton was first introduced to my new tank.

The only different thing I have done is that when setting up I use Tatra bio be bacteria. And one thing which is different in both tank is the light. The light in my older tank is little dim compared to the new tank.
Since it is good for tank I am curious how I can grow this in my older tank.
Thank you
 
Looks like totally normal and oh so common start of green film/hair algae to me.
Absolutely expected in a new tank..
 
So are they going to remain in the tank or it will go away after sometimes?

Provided that you keep up with proper maintenance then it will typically go away.. That is also why a "clean up crew" is always recommended after cycling to take care of minor amounts of algae/diatoms,etc..

In general all new tanks should expect diatoms, then green hair/film algae and even cyano and usually in that order... all will pass unless you don't maintain your tank properly..

It could be weeks to months that it takes them to go away.
Just ensure you keep your nitrates and phosphate levels low and you should be just fine..

again its totally normal.. and all part of what we call the "ugly stages" of a new tank.
 
made me look at my Rock a while lot different

Yes just look at rock in reef documentaries; don't look at the fish. You'll never see the white rock unless a Parrot fish bites into it.

how Periphyton was first introduced

The cells/spores are already in all the water that you'll get with any animals.

The light in my older tank is little dim compared to the new tank. Since it is good for tank I am curious how I can grow this in my older tank

The "phyto" in periphyton should be a clue; it needs light, because it's photosynthetic like phyto. The more light, and the more food particles (no mechanical filtering) in the water, the more periphyton coverage you will get. Just removing a skimmer and socks, will be enough to really thicken periphyton in a few month. Especially when forams start sprouting.

So are they going to remain in the tank or it will go away after sometimes

Periphyton will get thicker over time, up to the level of light and food particles available.
 
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