lionfish lockjaw?

I'm wondering if "plankton" might not be another name for krill?

I don't have any ideas except to maybe try tiny guppies or tiny ghost shrimp (I realize you offered ghost shrimp, not sure of the size).

Tube feeding a fish can be very challenging/initimidating, though you have some good support here. Good luck!
 
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Ya, but that doesn't look like any case of lockjaw I've seen. He probably can't even create a suction to slurp food in. To me, it looks like he got a smack of some sort.
 
Yikes...that's pretty bad, kaiboshi. Unless the fish can pop it back in on its own, I don't see a lot you can do short of intervention.

Lisa,

Way back 20 years ago, I used to feed my fish FD "plankton" and krill (I know, but I was a SW newby and the LFS recommended it) and it looked a LOT like the FD krill, only smaller.
 
So it comes out: I beat my fish.

Seriously though, I can't think of any incidents where this fish has bashed into anything and I definitely didn't mishandle it. I got it from DD so I assume they didn't mishandle it either. I've had the little guy since the first week of February so I doubt it could have been DD's fault.

I do my best not to get emotional about fish but this one is tough. Lionfish are my favorite type of fish by far, they are the reason I got into saltwater aquariums and the reason I got into aquariums in the first place when I was a kid so to see a little guy in my care doing so poorly really tugs on the heart strings.

This issue has gotten progressively worse over the past 6 weeks or so going from difficulty feeding to a lionfish coexisting with multiple tiny ghost shrimp. At this point I think the only fair thing to do would be to end the starvation and suffering. What do you guys think? If euthanasia is the only option left to me what is the best method, clove oil?
 
I don't know an exact date but some time shortly after the start of this thread and it didn't eat a full meal, just what it could manage to get down it's throat. So maybe 3-4 PE mysis MAX.
 
If you go that route, clove oil does work, but MS-222 is better. IME, you need to be slow with clove oil, starting out well mixed, and then adding a bit more as you go (we're talking drops here). Here's the clove oil euthanasia dosage/procedure (courtesy of "the SH site"):

CLOVE OIL Euthanasia Dosage and Preparation Instructions

• Put 3 drops with a half pint of water and shake very well, so the oil and water make a fusion - otherwise the oil will just float on top of the water and for the euthanasia to work the fish has to get the oil into its system.
• Add the mixture to the water that the fish is in (1 gallon of water should be more than enough) and stir it around slowly with your hand. The fish should become lethargic and sleepy. When the fish goes "belly up" it is asleep - not dead.
• Then add 3 more drops of clove oil. Add another mixture of 2 to 3 drops of oil in water.
• The fish feels nothing, it is very peaceful and humane.
• Don't make the mistake of thinking that if you initially put more in it will act quicker - it will only freak the fish out - it has to be done gradually so the fish doesn't notice the change in the water.
• The whole procedure should take anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. You will know when the fish is completely dead because there will be absolutely no movement of the gills. If after an hour the fishes gills are still moving you could add a couple more drops of clove oil. Sometimes it does depend on the size of the fish to how many drops of clove oil are needed.
• Properly dispose of the deceased fish and wash treatment container thoroughly with soap and water.
 
Wow, this is not what I expected when I suggested that you make a thread on here Joe. :(

I hope there is some other option besides euthanasia ...
 
I hope there is an option too however if it's what is best for the fish then it's what I have to do, unfortunately. I can't imagine the fish is feeling normal. I mean, it won't even chase ghost shrimp so it seems to me like it knows it can't work it's mouth so it doesn't bother.

Are there any options aside from euthanasia? Anyone have any ideas?
 
This is a tuff place to be in...trust me, I've been there too (I suspect everyone has). You want to give your fish every chance, but there's that part of you that whispers "enuff is enuff".

I wish I could offer more on treatment...
 
If you go that route, clove oil does work, but MS-222 is better.

Why exactly is ms-222 better? I see that a few sites cite finquel as being the best but don't say why.

What are the directions for ms-222/finquel for euthanizing?


I've decided that euthanizing is the best bet. I transferred the antennata last night and it's jaw is just totally messed up. I'm going to see if I can find ms-222 locally and if I can't I'll get it from DFS.
 
You won't be able to find it locally, I'm afraid.

It's better because it's an actual FDA approved fish anesthetic. It's doses have been well studied. I use and recommend clove, because that is what most people can get their hands on easily. But I have a bit of a hard time using it after I've used it on myself for a toothache while waiting to get in to see the Doctor. It's absolutely horrid and it stings. Scratch that.... it BURNS! I gave myself a blister. And then some rolled down the back of my throat and set off my gag reflex again and again and again. The smell of it alone now-a-days can make me sick.
 
I think the thing that makes is "better" is that there's less chance of upsetting/irritating the fish (some peeps don't use the clove oil correctly). Renee beat me to this!

I know you can get the finquel from Dan at seahorse source. I looked for some instructions on the "org", but didn't see them posted (I'll keep looking).

There is another product called Euthanase, but I've no experience with it. However, here are the instructions:

EUTHANASE Euthanasia Dosage and Preparation Instructions
Amount of water / 1ST Dosage Amount / 2ND dosage Amount
1 Cup (8 ounces) / 15 drops (1/8 teaspoon) / 15 drops (1/8 teaspoon)
1 Pint (16 ounces) / 30 drops (1/4 teaspoon) / 30 drops (1/4 teaspoon)
1 Quart (32 ounces) / 60 drops (1/2 teaspoon) / 60 drops (1/2 teaspoon)
1 Gallon (128 ounces) / 240 drops (2 teaspoons) / 240 drops (2 teaspoons)
"¢ Using the dosage amounts listed above, add the first dosage to the container and swirl water in the container gently.
"¢ Place the sick or injured fish in the container.
"¢ Cover the container with a lid or towel and wait for 10 minutes. This process will calm the fish and put it into a deep peaceful sleep.
"¢ Remove the cover and add the second dose.
"¢ Swirl water in the container very gently and cover for another 15-20 minutes.
"¢ The final passing phase should be complete in 15-20 minutes or when signs of life in the fish are no longer present.
"¢ Properly dispose of the deceased fish and wash treatment container thoroughly with soap and water.
 
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