liquid calcium reactor
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Greg, I don't know exactly what's going on here, or why it is that you apparently feel a need to attack what I have said. Your tone is hostile, and I don't think that further discussion, regardless of what I have to say, is going to placate you. You seem to be fixed upon a single point, which is that I stated that the product sells well to educated hobbyists that would like a calcium reactor but cannot afford one presently. I did not register with this forum to be a Kent Marine propagandist, I simply wanted a chance to review the product for interested parties. I do appologize if my abbreviated explanation of how the product works (please re-read my first post thoroughly) was not to your liking. Again, you seem to have strong negative opinions about Kent Marine. I cannot do anything to change that.
The solution contains various ions, each interacting briefly but not forming a solid due to the presence of a substance that prevents this process from occuring with most of the materials. This substance facilitates the dissolution of an unusually-high amount of calcium salts in solution, and does so without the use of alteration of pH. Once inside the aquarium, the substance does not interact with pre-existing calcium carbonate. I did not say that we actually use calcium carbonate as an ingredient in the product, but that it exists as particulate material. This material is the result of interactions inside the bottle that are not completely prevented by the ingredients in the product.
I'm going to step back for a moment now and ask a question: of all reading this that have a negative opinion about Liquid Reactor, how many of you have personally used the product, for how long, and in what types of systems? I'd like to get an idea of the experiences that you have all actually had so I can understand where you're coming from.
I would also like to ask that this discussion remain as free of "product bashing" as possible.
The solution contains various ions, each interacting briefly but not forming a solid due to the presence of a substance that prevents this process from occuring with most of the materials. This substance facilitates the dissolution of an unusually-high amount of calcium salts in solution, and does so without the use of alteration of pH. Once inside the aquarium, the substance does not interact with pre-existing calcium carbonate. I did not say that we actually use calcium carbonate as an ingredient in the product, but that it exists as particulate material. This material is the result of interactions inside the bottle that are not completely prevented by the ingredients in the product.
I'm going to step back for a moment now and ask a question: of all reading this that have a negative opinion about Liquid Reactor, how many of you have personally used the product, for how long, and in what types of systems? I'd like to get an idea of the experiences that you have all actually had so I can understand where you're coming from.
I would also like to ask that this discussion remain as free of "product bashing" as possible.
Greg,
What's the problem? I said thanks because he came here to help. He's gone out of his way to help here and has explained what his products do. Weather you agree or diagree with his producst is your opnion, however, you don't have to attack others because we thank him for at least showing an intrest to help. There are a lot of companies out there who would not even give you the time of day, let alone come here to try and help you. If you don't like his products, then don't use them. I'm sure there are a lot of poeple who will disagree with your tank setup and how you take care of it. We all have our own ideas of what works and what dosen't. For him, and appartently a lot of others, his products work. The same could be said for the seaclone skimmer that everyone bashes on here. For me, it worked great for 4 years. I've got rio powerheads that have been working fine for years as well. So chill a little.
What's the problem? I said thanks because he came here to help. He's gone out of his way to help here and has explained what his products do. Weather you agree or diagree with his producst is your opnion, however, you don't have to attack others because we thank him for at least showing an intrest to help. There are a lot of companies out there who would not even give you the time of day, let alone come here to try and help you. If you don't like his products, then don't use them. I'm sure there are a lot of poeple who will disagree with your tank setup and how you take care of it. We all have our own ideas of what works and what dosen't. For him, and appartently a lot of others, his products work. The same could be said for the seaclone skimmer that everyone bashes on here. For me, it worked great for 4 years. I've got rio powerheads that have been working fine for years as well. So chill a little.
Thunnus
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Yes I have alot of experience with your products (including the Nautilus TE skimmer that NEVER produced a bit of skimate. I hooked up a euro, and what do you know, skimate). I know that you have no direct control over how your products are marketed, but many struggling new reefkeepers are blowing there money on products like "essential elements" and "coral vite"because LFS' and your labeling tell them that they are mandatory. I just have kind of a grudge against you because of false claims. Your kalkwasser works though. But so does Mrs. Wages. My point is dont claim that your product is something that it is not.
I appreciate you coming on this forum.
Kent Marine
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Thunnus said:
Thank you for realizing that.
Kent Marine
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Let's save that for another thread... 
nitroxdiver009
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Kent marine DO I DECREESE THE DOSAGE OF liquid calcium reactor once my target calcium is reached or what????
I would like to now more about the skimmers also. I had to upgrade pumps to get it to skim (some what). When I added the Euro (6.2+) it skimmed so much that in two days it was full and then it went a 5 days before it was full again. Now every week it is full. I never had results like that with the kent skimmer. I spent 210 on the skimmer and the an extra 95 on a 1200 GPH pump.
BTW Welcome to RC. I hope this is a trend for vendors to join us.
Thanks for the Information. I have tried Liquid reactor but got better results out of your Kalk.
Regards,
ZC
BTW Welcome to RC. I hope this is a trend for vendors to join us.
Thanks for the Information. I have tried Liquid reactor but got better results out of your Kalk.
Regards,
ZC
I am a hobbyist that has been using Liquid Reactor for over a year and I have not seen any adverse effects on my livestock. I have been able to keep LPS and SPS corals. I have seen growth among certain species of sps corals so I have to assume there is some sufficient calcium uptake. I recently purchased ESV B-ionic because of a thread like this that says it is a really good product, so I will see how it works. I have been using Kent Marine supplements for the last six years and have not encountered any problems. I not trying to make a testimonial, instead I just wanted to chime in about my experience with Kent Marine's products.
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nitroxdiver009 said:
For the next week, decrease the dosage by 25% and measure calcium; if the concentration drops below the desired level, increase the dosage rate a little each week until you find the required dosage for your specific aquarium.
Kent Marine said:
I've not engaged in "product bashing" but "product skepticism," and you've done nothing to change my mind. If I pick up a bottle of ESV brand B-Ionic or their strontium supplement, the ionic concentrations of the ingredients and strength of the solution are clearly indicated right on the label. Not only do I know what's in it, but I can easily compare it against similar products. In addition, there's also an explanation of how the product works and why it's useful in a marine aquarium. Is it too much to ask other manufacturers to do the same? Does Liquid Reactor work as avertised? Is it a practical alternative to two-part supplements or kalkwasser? How much will I need to dose in order to maintain calcium and alkalinity levels in MY aquarium? What will it cost me on a regular basis if I adopted this methodology? Is it based on scientifically sound principles? Am I putting something dangerous into my aquarium or something that may build up over time and cause problems? These are the type of questions I ask before dumping anything into my reef aquarium. Based upon your responses, I would not be inclined to try the product. If you've truly come up with something novel, you've done a poor job of explaining why anyone should use it over their present system for maintaining calcium and alkalinity. If you want hobbyists to try it, perhaps you should explain why it's more effective or economical, or give away free samples.
Greg
Thunnus
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What bothers me about Kents claims, is that they are saying that it replaces a calcium reactor, not other chemicals. If I set a bottle of this stuff next to my reactor, a monkey could tell that there is more bio-available calcium in the reactor than suspended in "liquid reactor".
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GSchiemer said:I've not engaged in "product bashing" but "product skepticism," and you've done nothing to change my mind. If I pick up a bottle of ESV brand B-Ionic or their strontium supplement, the ionic concentrations of the ingredients and strength of the solution are clearly indicated right on the label. Not only do I know what's in it, but I can easily compare it against similar products. In addition, there's also an explanation of how the product works and why it's useful in a marine aquarium. Is it too much to ask other manufacturers to do the same? Does Liquid Reactor work as avertised? Is it a practical alternative to two-part supplements or kalkwasser? How much will I need to dose in order to maintain calcium and alkalinity levels in MY aquarium? What will it cost me on a regular basis if I adopted this methodology? Is it based on scientifically sound principles? Am I putting something dangerous into my aquarium or something that may build up over time and cause problems? These are the type of questions I ask before dumping anything into my reef aquarium. Based upon your responses, I would not be inclined to try the product. If you've truly come up with something novel, you've done a poor job of explaining why anyone should use it over their present system for maintaining calcium and alkalinity. If you want hobbyists to try it, perhaps you should explain why it's more effective or economical, or give away free samples.
Greg
Greg, the only Kent Marine products that do not list concentrations on the label are done so to protect what we feel is proprietary information; products such as this account for less than 15% of our product line. You have apparently not used Liquid Reactor; that is your perogative for the reasons you list. I believe that I have already gone into great detail about why the product is more effective and economical.
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Thunnus said:
Not to get into semantics, but no where do we say that this product replaces calcium reactors; it offers an alternative to them for hobbyists not having the money to invest in a full system. Of course a reactor has more calcium; dry products are always going to be more economical than liquids.
We're not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes, just trying to remain innovative and please as many hobbyists as possible.
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