Live Rock with dwarf seahorses :S

all right. i can give you some info on this matter. personally, i have a buncha snails (i wanna get rid of some cuz they poop a lot and lays a buncha eggs) 4 cerinth 6 nassariuses (they had babies. which is why i have a lot) and 4 nerites. they do well at cleaning and my sexy shrimps too.

and about the peppermint shrimp, from what i have heard, the will eat the fries. they are meanies
 
And are the sexy shrimp any safer?

The original idea was to keep the fry in the 1 gallon, but my cycling 1 gallon looks like it is about to crash already (I am doing daily water changes to try to avoid this) and I am worried about keeping the fry in it (my 5 gallon on the other hand is doing great) - so if I can keep the fry with the parents in the 5 gallon, definitely that would be ideal.

The problem is the hydroid scare, panacur killing the worms, and cleaners that could kill the fry. It sounds like the old fox, chicken, and feed riddle.

And I can always move dangerous cleaners to one tank while I am expecting fry - and it takes 3 months for fry to mature while seahorses are still having fry every 10 days, meaning at any point of time I am going to have fry. Or is that unusual? I'm assuming I'd have 8-10 adults in the tank, by the way.

One way I would think of avoiding this is gutload the nasties to the point where I could see them, kill them completely off with panacur, and then introduce the snails during a safe period. I just don't know when that safe period would be, and if it's 2 years like someone mentioned, that can't work, and I'm going to have to find a fry friendly crustacean or a method of cleaning the substrate myself - the live rock and sponge filter will help with the water quality - but in a 5 gallon tank, I'd like to have a fry friendly bottom feeder as a safety net.

Oh and let me add one more point here - if it takes fry 3 months to mature into adults - what survival rate of the brood can I expect during this time with a peppermint shrimp or sexy shrimp or even tiny hermit crab for that matter?

EDIT: I can't believe I didn't think of this! So someone had the idea of keeping the peppermint shrimp in a breeding trap while there were fry - What about the other way around?! Having the fry in the breeding trap with like a plastic grass ornament in the breeding trap for them to hitch onto and keep the peppermint shrimp cleaning the bottom of the tank? Could this work, or is there some reason we are not keeping the fry in a breeding trap in the first place? I used to do this with my guppies all the time and it worked great. Once they were big enough I let them out with the other small fish and there was no need for a fry tank. Not only that but the survival rate was incredibly high - I lost maybe two compared to half the brood when I tried to house them on their own.

2nd EDIT: I think I might have found my first hitchikers from the rock. I'm going to do some research and find out what it is. One is this little white bug looking thing. It scurries quickly and it looks kind of like a white rolly-polly. The other, I'm not sure if it's algae from the rock (it did have a little algae on it) or if it's a type of hydroid. The panacur is in the mail, so I'm going to treat the tank when it gets here.
 
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Okay! Hitch-hiker ID: Aiptasia (good thing I have peppermint shrimp!) and amphiopods (which are good!)

So all and all not bad. No hydroids yet. Assuming I keep feeding my tank, should I treat with panacur as a preventative or only if I see hydroids?
 
i had aipatsia on my rocks but no hydroids. i like aiptasia better cuz u can kill them easily :D. and yes sexy shrimp dont hurt fries.
 
Gaaah it was a red feather duster -___________- this is what they look like (not my picture, but one where you can see it easily) I have a lot but that was the first one that looked alive that I saw.

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I have heard the T. californicus can cause problems in some fish, but never experienced it first hand. I am assuming the risk your talking about is the pods getting stuck in throats or eating their way out of stomachs? Maybe I was just lucky that it never happened to me.

This is the prickly part of a tigerpod.
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i had aipatsia on my rocks but no hydroids. i like aiptasia better cuz u can kill them easily :D. and yes sexy shrimp dont hurt fries.

wow if that's the case I might switch to sexy shrimp. How did you kill aiptasia? I am pretty sure I don't have it after killing one of my feather dusters trying to find out what it was :(
 
dead shrimp work better for cycling than live brine because the live ones aren't decaying and producing the ammonia to feed the cycle.
I hope your hatcher is not an "in tank" hatcher.
Hatching water and tank water should never come in contact with each other.
Are you decapping or sterilizing the cysts before hatching?
Are you rinsing the hatched brine well in fresh water before adding them to the tank.
Brine shrimp cysts are known to be carriers of al lot more nasties than just hydroids.
 
wow if that's the case I might switch to sexy shrimp. How did you kill aiptasia? I am pretty sure I don't have it after killing one of my feather dusters trying to find out what it was :(

aiptasia-x. worked like a charm. i first thought they were feather duster but gosh they were huge. turns out they were aiptasias.
 
dead shrimp work better for cycling than live brine because the live ones aren't decaying and producing the ammonia to feed the cycle.
I hope your hatcher is not an "in tank" hatcher.
Hatching water and tank water should never come in contact with each other.
Are you decapping or sterilizing the cysts before hatching?
Are you rinsing the hatched brine well in fresh water before adding them to the tank.
Brine shrimp cysts are known to be carriers of al lot more nasties than just hydroids.

Well I've got plenty of ammonia producers in my tank, the shrimp and crabs and stuff on the live rock and crab food.

The hatcher is not an in tank hatcher definitely. Brine water is disgusting lol I have a disk hatchery on its own and it separates the eggs and the brine by design and has a strainer so all I really need to do is pick up the strainer, the brine are already in it, run it under the tap, then add to the tank.

I didn't know that about the brine shrimp - I always thought they were decapped for water quality in case egg shells got mixed in with the shrimp. Is there an easy way to sterilize them? Or is there a way to sterilize the shrimp themselves?

I do not decap or sterilize yet because I thought it was just a water quality issue.
 
Unless you like playing with bleach and stuff, it's easiest to buy decapped cysts. Just keep them in the frige and hatch them out.
 
Ok that's what I'll do - I don't like messing with bleach - I want to be as hands off with the food as possible.
 
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