looking for a good pellet food.

Everything I stated was from NorthFins site. Can I ask and do find it interesting that you have 5 post now all have been about something I post 6 months ago. No hello post or new to the Forum post or about anything else that was posted since you joined but straight to a post on NorthFin and then here comes another post from someone that has not posted a thing since he/she joined in 2009 and I find it amazing how the first post is something again about NorthFin. Now I don't know what it is you are trying to do or say. You want me to say sorry for posting in response to " looking for a good pellet food " OK Sorry. Are you upset or mad because I am a Canadian or because it comes from Canada, oh well not much I can do about that. You what me to say good job guy's you did a great job on finding the biggest scam, well good job. I just don't know, But like I said it is funny that you your self and calcium king even in the couple of days on this topic have not made a post anywhere else on this very large Forum.
Calcium king good job well done on exposing the lies that a company could dare to make, I can see it know on Fortune 500 and Time " Canadian company exposed " .
Why don't you Google NorthFin USA and get their number and call them and ask how they can state all those things and just like calcium king did and you respected him fore digging into it, you can do the same by calling and posting what their response was.
Anyhow like I said if I upset you by posting info from the company I apologize.

Merry Christmas to all!

P.S. flavecens please keep us informed on what they say.
 
I know all the info. is from oscar fish forum and Northfin website. It is not directing at you. It is try to point out the "ethoxyquin free" claim by the manufacturer is inaccurate.
I apologize if i give you the impression that I am confronting you.
I think all manufacturer should be more truthful about their products, not advantageous marketing strategy.
 
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fwiw, before I knew anything about fish food I bought a jar of Omega One small pellets from box store pet place. I alternate pellets with frozen and other food. From the start, my fish jumped all over it and it does sink pretty quickly so that every fish grabs pellets.

Reading this thread, I wanted to post that the Guaranteed Analysis and ingredients list is pretty close to the higher end pellets. The majority if ingredients are marine animals Halibut, salmon, cod etc. There is wheat, but it's listed after the animals, and the guaranteed analysis is near identical to the one posted above.


Oh yeah, my duncan and anemone close on those pellets faster than a kid catching a dodgeball
 
So when fish food companies claim they do not use it in their products, it is because they do not add it themselves. The way the law is written, manufactures only have to list ingredients they add, not what is all ready in the base material. Do not be fooled, it is in there. If you read the ingredients on the label, almost all dry food is mostly some sort of fish meal, wheat or corn used as binders, and other stuff never consumed by a reef fish.
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You right laga77. I would say, All fish food that uses marine protein has some ethoxyquin in the food, even if the manufacturer do not add them. My guess is most likely under 150ppm or a lot less. But 333 ppm is beyond acceptable level. Remember world wide guild line is 150 ppm.
Northfin is the only company that claim their food is "ethoxyquin free" through communication with other website, their website and phone conversation with the consumers. Funny the loudest anti-ethoxyquin company turn out to used the most ethoxyquin in their food( at least with KRILL PRO lab. test ).
This is the beef I have with Northfin is the false claim they made that their food is ethoxyquin free.
I will try to find out more concrete evidence on what they communicate on the internet with other website.
 
zebrassoma said:
This is the beef I have with Northfin is the false claim they made that their food is ethoxyquin free.
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As I have posted before ethoxyquin is the most common, least expensive preservative used. Unless a food company goes through the trouble of dealing with suppliers that do not use it, then they can make that claim. I have seen many fish and dog food companies claim no ethoxyquin , but never have they claimed that the supplier is ethoxyquin free. However ALL products will contain some kind of preservative. That is why the can of food will sit on the shelf for a couple of years. Try that with a piece of fresh fish. The other problem to consider is that the meal used by pet food companies is the waste products from fish oil production. Over half of all fish and krill oil production goes to salmon farming operations. After they press the oil out of the fish or krill, instead of throwing away whats left, they sell to pet food companies. Since this thread is about Northfin I just looked up the nutritional analysis of their marine pellets. They contain 5% fat. and 36% protein. Thats great if you are a mammal, but marine fish utilize fat for their energy and not protein. So that not so good. It also contains wheat and garlic, which despite what marketing claims, is bad for long term exposure to marine fish.
 
To keep pellets from going into the overflow, I use a feeding ring. Search "fish food feeding ring." They are cheap. I put it under my auto feeder. IMO its a must have.
 
In defense for nothfin.
1.) Yes, fat is converted into daily energy expenditure. but protein is the one that build muscle, growth...etc. Without the digestible protein, you can feed all the fat you want and fish will eventually died of malnutrition. Too much fat will also cause fat liver disease and it is fatal.
2.) Wheat is unavoidable if you want the pellets to bind together. The question is much flour is used? 25% is reasonable, but some manufacturer uses way to much flour on their product to cut cost. carbohydrate will also convert into fat. Fish can not utilize too much carbohydrate except for fish like Koi. reasonable amount actually help create enzymes for metabolic pathway.
3.) Garlic use in fish food are beneficial to the fish in many many studies. There is a guy in UK by the name of wombat that talk about how bad garlic is in his experiment. What a lots of people don't realized is that he used a massive amount of garlic oil in his experiment to prove his point. It is the oil that causes liver problem not the allicin compound found in garlic itself. Any thing in excessive amount ca be toxic.
 
Update on the pe mysis pellets. I got the small pellets and had 3 small lyretail anthias eating them up on their first day of quarentine. Everything loves them so far

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Compare the ingredients between Hikari Extreme and NLS AlgaeMax and judge for yourself.

Hikari: Dried Seaweed Meal, Wheat Flour, Fish Meal, Krill Meal, Cuttlefish Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Fish Oil, Sodium Alginate, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Sucrose Polyesters, Lecithin, Clam Extract, DL-Methionine, Astaxanthin, Garlic

Algae:Chlorella Algae, Ulva Seaweed, Red Seaweed, Kelp, Wakame Seaweed), Chondrus crispus, Ulva, Euchema Cottoni Whole Antarctic Krill, Whole Herring, Whole Wheat Flour, Algar, Beta Carotene, Spirulina, Garlic"¦.

http://www.aceforums.com.au/index.php?/topic/58613-new-life-spectrum-algaemax/
 
Compare Hikari Seaweed extreme and NLS algaeMax. Read the ingredients and judge for yourself.

Hikari: Dried Seaweed Meal, Wheat Flour, Fish Meal, Krill Meal, Cuttlefish Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Fish Oil, Sodium Alginate, Hydrolyzed
Vegetable Sucrose Polyesters,"¦

NLS algaeMax: Algae: Chlorella Algae, Spirulina, Ulva Seaweed, Wakame Seaweed,Kelp, Red Seaweed,,Antarctic Krill, Whole Fish meal Chondrus crispus, Eucheuma cottonii, Spinosum Seaweed, ,Whole wheat flour, Omega 3 fish oil, Alfalfa,Astaxantin, Capxanthin, Zeaxantin, Beta carotene,"¦

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw2wdqvsDE
 
Sorry for double posting. The second post on ingredients was copied from the Algaemax bucket I currently have. It is a more accurate ingredients reflection.
 
Not sure what's happening to his break down posts. I used to use a really good algae based pellet that I really liked but it's not made anymore for a few years now. I searched for a algae based pellet that actually had some kind of algae as the first ingredient. It's actually harder then you'd think. I ended up with NLS algae max as my choice. I did look at hikari and many other algae based pellets at that time too.

Based on the Ingredients (algae first and not a meal), Ash, and Moisture to me the NLS wins.

NLS AlgaeMax
Analysis
32% Protein
5% Fat
10% Fiber
10% Moisture
9% Ash

Ingredients
Algae; Chlorella, Ulva Seaweed, Red Seaweed, Kelp, Spirulina, Wakame Seaweed, Whole Antarctic Krill, Whole Fish, Eucheuma cottonii, Spinosum Seaweed, Chondrus crispus, Whole Wheat Flour, Omega-3 Fish Oil, Alfalfa, Astaxanthin, Capsanthin, Zeaxanthin, Vita



Hikari Seaweed Extreme
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein - 33.0% min
Crude Fat - 5.0% min
Crude Fiber - 4.0% max
Moisture - 10% max
Phosphorous - 0.5% min
Ash - 17% max

Ingredients:
Dried Seaweed Meal, Wheat Flour, Fish Meal, Krill Meal, Cuttlefish Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Fish Oil, Sodium Alginate, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Sucrose Polyesters, Lecithin, Clam Extract, DL-Methionine, Astaxanthin, Garlic, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Stabilized Vitamin C), Inositol, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Vitamin A Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Niacin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Ferrous Sulfate, Magnesium Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate
 
I don't know of any company that make an algae food that contain 9 varieties of algae/seaweed except NLS Algaemax. There is definitely no comparison when it come algae base food.
 
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