Looking for ideas on light placement and luminarc size.

Go for 3 LBs on each side w/ 400s. Then maybe a DE 250 or DE 400 on each side of the overflow box. What?

OT but not: I'm interested in any lumenarcs anybody is selling.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11176214#post11176214 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by robsee06


I didn't know Acropora Nut was a dealer...wasn't he TOTM a couple of months ago? I thought TOTM was for personal tanks only.

Yes, as the previous poster mentioned, Mike was chosen long before he decided to open a business. It IS a personal tank, not a dealer's showroom tank. What's your point?
 
CANAR can you post actual pics of your tank. This will help others and I get a better idea of your center overflow lighting dilema.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11177414#post11177414 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Skipper
Yes, as the previous poster mentioned, Mike was chosen long before he decided to open a business. It IS a personal tank, not a dealer's showroom tank. What's your point?


BINGO!!

I just dont understand why folks would say something follish.
Unless :rolleye1: ..............makes me wonder.:lol:

Like I always tell my kids..........If ur not gonna say anthing nice , dont say it at all!
 
CANAR sorry to here about your flatworm problem. You do have a challenge lighting that tank. I would start off with 4 LumenBrights and see were that gets you. You will notice these reflectors light up tanks much differently. Not to say that you still won't have a problem with the overflows and your eurobraces, but you may not need suplemental lighing besides the 4 reflectors. I could not tell where Mikes Eurobraces were at.
 
OK I got a couple lumen brights from Reef Depot to test out tonight. I put one on the far end. The most I can get it off the water is 7 inches. It almost looks like there is a flood light shining in the center portion of the tank. The center is a lot brighter. More then double based on my light meter. That is with the bulbs crossing the tank. If I turn it 90 degrees so the bulb crosses the tank the amount of light on the sides of the tank doubles.

It makes me wonder if a full size luminarc will give me more spread.
 
Ted,

talk with Mike from Reef Specialty...he has done some extensive testing of these reflectors and has done some par readings also.

I just put the LB Mini's on my tank and it made a huge difference...
 
From the small amount of research i've done, it seems that the lumenbrights punch deeper into the tank but most of the PAR is dead center. And it seems like the lumenarcs don't punch as deep, but give better spread...

This of course is just what i've read thus far.....From what I can gather, it depends on what kind of spread/depth you want....

of course i could be totally wrong lol
 
Poppy,

Thanks for the idea but I really don't want to talk to Mike from Reef Specialty. I really enjoy the wealth of knowledge this forum brings. Plus he sells these and I am looking for a NON BIASED opinion.

When I want to buy them I will do so from Mark from Reef Depot. If I decide to go with large Luminarc's I will buy those from Rod.
 
From the small amount of research i've done, it seems that the lumenbrights punch deeper into the tank but most of the PAR is dead center. And it seems like the lumenarcs don't punch as deep, but give better spread...

Thats kind of what I am finding. I think I need to get a full size Luminarc and try that before I finalize my decision. It is nice to be getting so much use from my light meter :D

Has anyone used the Reef Optix 5's yet? They look like they might be my answer for either side of my overflow box...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11218924#post11218924 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by craftytony
From the small amount of research i've done, it seems that the lumenbrights punch deeper into the tank but most of the PAR is dead center. And it seems like the lumenarcs don't punch as deep, but give better spread...

This of course is just what i've read thus far.....From what I can gather, it depends on what kind of spread/depth you want....

of course i could be totally wrong lol

Tony,

you may also want to look at this link....

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1211402&perpage=25&pagenumber=14
 
Yea but my problem is I am 36" wide and I do not think I will be able to get enough height for the spread I need with these.

Also nothing against you poppy. I just heard call Mike one too many times in this thread. It was starting to feel like pressure.

Ted
 
I understand Ted. I was simply passing on info that helped me is all.

Good luck with your setup. It's beyond my realm of knowledge. ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11218851#post11218851 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by canar
OK I got a couple lumen brights from Reef Depot to test out tonight. I put one on the far end. The most I can get it off the water is 7 inches. It almost looks like there is a flood light shining in the center portion of the tank. The center is a lot brighter. More then double based on my light meter. That is with the bulbs crossing the tank. If I turn it 90 degrees so the bulb crosses the tank the amount of light on the sides of the tank doubles.

It makes me wonder if a full size luminarc will give me more spread.

Good luck on the spread canar having them down at 7 inches. Mark should have let you know that the manufacturer recommendation is a minimum of 10 inches from the bottom of the reflector to the surface of the water. Maybe you should just settle with Lumenarcs.

What I have found is there is hardly any usable light in the so called spread of a Lumenarc. If you want to see spread but don't care about growing coral, go with the Lumenarc. Looks like you are very capable of making your own decisions. Good luck!

Oooh, by the way if you are using a Lux meter, don't expect accurate results especially with a 12K Reeflux bulb. I tried it out and it is so off it is ridiculous. Every PAR conversion equation I have tried does not mean diddly squat. As much as 300 PAR off when converting LUX to PAR.

Hey Mark from Reef Depot(not sure what your RC user name might be), do you have any opinions on Lumenbrights? Seems like you may know something that we haven't figured out yet.

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This has to be the most ridiculous thread I've ever read on RC.

Just try to read these responses and tell me that at least someone here doesn't own one of these stores. Either that or the craziest example of new store loyalty I've heard of.
 
From that thread it seems that Hahn seems to really know his stuff...of course he could be wrong, but he gives some very good points

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10965095#post10965095 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
I think you are misunderstanding things... So you really believe that the LB's are designed to 'grow coral' better than the LA's? Thats where you and I differ. BTW, Im the one who took the readings in Tom O's tank, and I can tell you what the light values were at any level in his tank (actually, I thought I did already in the last response) with my PAR meter. Lets just say that that if he had LB's on his tank, the problems he had would be even worse, as he would have a beaming hot-spot from top to bottom under the center of each bulb, but the sides would be left in the dark. Pretty much what I am saying is 'thank goodness' that as you move away from a LA it loses intensity... since its way too intense otherwise. You think that the Lumenarc loses intensity as you move away from it? Well, it loses density, yes. But it you will stop trying to get your info from the graph, and look at the stats in that article, you need to compare the total incidental light at various distances (provided in my last post as well), to see that the conservation of light with distance with a lumenarc is perhaps the best on the market. That 'bright patch' that a LB has isnt a bonus, its a problem, IMO. With corals, you dont want a reflector with such 'hot spots' in its output... you want the one with a more even spread.

Im tellin you... the LB is no better than the LA... its most likely worse. I was suspect of it at first just upon seeing it, but after seeing the reasouts, now I know its for sure...
L3vsLBgraphs.jpg


"The approx. 16.5% brighter spot is directly in the center, then goes quickly down from there. At 6" away from center it's about even, then the Lumen Bright tapers quickly off. We'll be taking more spreads from different heights in the near future, but this first one is at 2' away, perfect for an 18" deep tank, with the lights 6" above the water.
Note that even the lumenarc loses approx. 50% of it's light by the time it gets out to 2'X2' spread. The Lumen Bright loses approx. 75%, which is approx. 67% less light compared to the Lumenarc which doesn't start as bright in the direct center. 33% light vs. 50% light at 2' X 2', approximately."

The greater 'spread' of a Lumenarc, if nothing else, allows it to be mounted closer to the water surface, because it can cover a wider area and still be closer to the water... to maintain its intensity as you would say. So either way you want to interpret it... also, keep in mind that these are all 'open air' tests, and that the angle of refraction of the water will bend all the light coming in to be more focused anyways... so even the LA's will be more concentrated when you add water to the system. All light entering at 45 degrees will travel at 30 degrees (from vertical) under the water, so the hot spot of the LB's will be even smaller with water, and the LA's information will be slightly different as well.
 
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