Lost all fish after NH's largest power outage. What could I have done differently?

pammy

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My 1st tank has been up and running for 18 months. Everything was going beautifully. Lost all of my fish, a few corals, most of my snails, etc, in the largest power outage in the history of New Hampshire caused by a major ice storm. Lost power for 3 days during freezing temps. Got down to 9f degrees on Saturday night and never got above 21f degrees during the day on Saturday. My power finally came back on yesterday. There are still almost 100,000 without power in NH out of the 320,000 or so that lost power.

As upset I am to lose all of my fish, I have to be thankful that i didn't lose everything in my tank.

What I did:

I fought to keep some heat in the tank. The room stayed at 48 degrees with a gas fireplace running on the floor below. I Wrapped the tank in comforters, but not until I had gotten home from work and the tank was already down to 65 from 80 degrees. I had 1 heater and 1 powerhead in a UPS, but that was worthless. The UPS died in about 20 minutes. I brought the tank up to 69 degrees after I covered the tank, by boiling water and filling tupperware and floating it in the covered up tank. It was down to 60 degrees the 2nd morning, and I got it warmed up a few degrees, and it went down to 58 degrees by the 3rd morning. Had I not covered the tank, I imagine the water quickly would have gone down to the room temperature which was 48 degrees. So covering the tank with comforters, might have saved a lot of the survivors.

I did have a battery operated air pump that ran the entire time, so while that wasn't enough to keep the fish alive, it may be the reason I didn't lose all my coral, just lost the few SPS corals I had.
As a precaution, I changed out the two D batteries in the airpump after it was running for 30 hours, as I didn't want to chance that it would die in the middle of the night.

I charged my UPS overnight at a friend's house, on both the 1st and 2nd night, and went back in the morning and plugged in the heater for a bit, and then alternated with the powerhead, but again, it died very quickly, maybe 20 minutes. (APC 650 ES UPS).

I finally found a power inverter on the 3rd day so that I could plug in the heater, and alternate it with the powerhead, running off of the lighter in my car. They were sold out everywhere, and by the time I found one, the fish were already dead.

Tank was very cloudy yesterday when the power came on, but by last night, it was clearing. Skimmer was just starting to produce again this morning.

I tested Ammonia and Nitrites last night, and they both tested 0 - (Salifert Ammonia test was not totally clear, kind of a foggy white, not sure if it should be clear or if the foggy white color is a 0 reading). PH was good - 8.28 . I was making water to do a 30% water change, but it was still heating so the water change has to wait until today. I didn't want to rush the waterchange, where the parameters are ok and everything is already struggling. I feel like if I had rushed the waterchange, before the PH and temp was right, it may have made things worse, so I'll do the water change after work. Added a filtersock with carbon, which is when the water started clearing.

Losses:

Spotted Mandarin
Longnose Hawkfish
Bartletts Anthias
Wild Caught True Percula clown
Onyx Percula clown
Royal Gramma
Tailspot Blenny
Fromia Starfish
Green Monticap
Digitata
Superman Monti
lots of snails

Survivors:

Crocea Clam - WOW, this clam doesn't look phased in the least!!
It's as beautiful as ever!

Sabae Anemone - I thought it died and dissolved when I checked my tank yesterday and saw that it was gone. A while later, I found it behind the rock in the bottom of my tank, hiding. It's never budged in a year since I bought it, from the front center of my tank. He doesn't look happy, but I'm hopefull he'll recover. :)
I hope he doesn't take up permanent residence in the back of my tank!

Sandsifting Starfish

Sally Lightfoot - I wanted to catch this crab and give it back to my LFS or to another reefer. Bought it to fight lobophora in my tank. It did a great job and wiped it out. Wanted to get rid of him before he turns mean. Of course he survived and is scooting around the tank unphased!

One Scarlett Legged crab started roaming around last night. Not sure if the other Scarlett survived, and not sure if my Emerald Crab survived.

Two Astrea Snails and one Bumblee snail are alive. Maybe more surviving snails, but that's all I see right now. I don't see that a single Cerith snail survived. Haven't seen any signs of any Nacarrius snails alive.

Aussie Duncan Coral - Looks really good. Not open as much as normal, but I think he'll be back to normal in a day or two. Very happy as this is one of my 4 favorite corals.

Large Hammer Coral - Looks pretty good. Starting to open some. I think it will survive fine. One of my favorite 4 corals.

Frogspawn - Pretty closed up, but seems alive. Not opening at all yet but I think it will recover. One of my favorite 4 corals.

Suncoral - Looking very unhappy, and spewing some stuff. I'd give him a 50/50 chance of surviving. One of my 4 favorite corals.

Assorted Zoos - Too early to tell, but I can see a bit of color peaking out from the center. I'm hoping they'll survive.

Gorgonian - Saw one or two polyps come out last night. Hopefully it will survive.

Hawaiian Feather Duster and Cocoa Worm. Look sickly, but the feathers were poking out last night.

So, what can I do differently to avoid this in the future? I know that a generator would be the best bet. Any other options?
Is there anything other than the UPS that wouldn't drain so fast?
I bought at a battery that you can jumpstart a car off of. It said 40 hours run time on it, but my brother told me I'd get about 40 minutes off of it running a 100watt heater and a 6watt Tunze 6025. So that seems worthess to me too.

Seems ironic, with the amount of traveling I do, that I had a major catastrophe when I was home, and couldn't save the fish. I WISH I had thought to try to catch some fish and bring them to my friend's house in a bucket with a powerhead and heater. That never dawned on me until after they had all died. I also didn't expect the power outage to go on as long as it did. I've lived in this townhouse for 15 years, and I've never lost power for more than a couple hours.

One last question, do you think the fish all died from the water being 58 to 60 degrees for 3 days (they were still alive on the 2nd day) or from not enough oxygen? (one Battery Operated Airstone ran the entire time). I am going to add a second battery operated airpump so I can have one on each side of the tank. I don't think 1 did enough.

Thanks!
Pam
 
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oh-pam im gutted for you, what a terrible thing to happen, i dont think you could have done much else under the circumstances, however you could now plan for a future event, get a portable generator which runs off gasoline, you could then run a lead to the tanks electrics if it ever happens again, sorry for your loss pam, hope all starts to get better for you:)
 
GENARATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Live in florida, we lose power on a weekly basis during hurricane season, only I struggle to keep my temp in my tank from rising. Cooler's full of ice, fill ziplock bag's and float. Sorry about your lose's, From RI so I know what ICE storm's are! I would deffinitly Invest in a GENERATOR. GOOD LUCK!
 
what I was told is oxygen, temperature AND water agitation are equally important. Without agitation CO2 will accumulate and crash pH. and fish are sensitive to pH swings too.
I saw some people bring fish in buckets to LFSs. I myself transfered entire tank to friends' house on day 2. Still lost all birdnests and half of huge orange cap.
So you MUST get a generator. Everything else will just prolong agony. Do not run it INDOORS, people have died from carbon monooxide poisoning.
 
Thanks all. Yea, I guess a generator is a must in this hobby.
Albanets202 - sorry about the corals you lost. I really wish I would have thought to move out the fish before they died. Of course I could only see 3 of the 7 fish. The rest were hiding in the rockwork. I was about to start ripping the coral off the rockwork and bringing that elsewhere in a bucket.

I'm glad I was home during all this, because if I was away, I would have thought that the fish died because I wasn't there to do anything. I did what I could.

Pam
 
So sorry Pam. :( It by passed us and went for you.

I heard how bad it was going to be and was headed straight for here and almost lost my breath. The day before I went and bought a battery pump and figured I could put my 2 10 fish in the 29 if had to. Just thinking about it I ran it that night and also Sunday while I was gone for the day. No bad weather but just the worry is keeping me up.
I cant run a generator I have no garage to put it in. It would have to sit outside in the snow all winter.
Anyone have a suggestion to that dallema. I haven't started looking yet but will. Can something be rigged with a car battery?
 
A generator is your best bet. Hurricane ike proved that to me, if not for my generator I would have lost everything. I got a storm responder 5800 watts. They should retail for under $1000. That is enough power to run your whole tank, fridge, big screen and a few other odds and ends. Keep it in your garage near an the open or cracked garage with a fan on it blowing the exhaust out of your gArage. Homedepot has a full house generator for $3,500 pretty sure that's not installed though.

If you don't have a garage to keep it in. Get a motorcycle chain one of the one you can't cut thru and chain it down to something. They weigh a pretty good amount so it will take a few good sized men to move it off or steal it. Keep a few gAllons of be around, remember to change the oil in it every three days of use. They have only a small punt of oil in the generator so it uses it up real fast. For as much cash as we put inour tanks a generator is a smart cheap purchase.

iPhone is very tough to post with lol
 
Hi Pam, I came through the link you left in my thread about my own problems from the same ice storm :(

I didn't think to move all my livestock elsewhere either. Who would have thought the power would be out for 3 days?! The local power companies were very limited on the information we heard them giving ... it was all "stay tuned for more updates in a few hours" ... but no actual updates, just more "stay tuned" again.

I didn't have any relatives in the area with power still ... we all lost it ... so I couldn't have tubbed all my critters and taken them anywhere unless I got a hotel room and snuck them in. (lol :( )

What burns me is people two blocks over had power, with their inflatable snowmen on the lawn blown up, and x-mas lights all blasting ... and we're huddled around a propane tank trying to keep ourselves alive.



I also did the comforter-wrap on my tank. It helped, for sure ... the tank in my livingroom (we abandoned that room as it was too big to heat with the small propane heater we had) got down to 37 degrees. It was less than 20 degrees in the house at that point.

The tank in the bedroom had all the fish and my single shrimp in it ... so we focused on saving them. I'm not sure how low the temp got ... we stopped looking after a while, I didn't want to see everything had died. At last glance, it was down around 55 degrees.


One suggestion I was given (too late to help, though) was to purchase some of those emergency blankets at camping stores - the ones for hikers and such - they have a foil on one side and are supposedly heavy-duty and keep a lot of heat in. They may make better tank-wraps than fluffy comforters (or just add another layer to the makeshift saltwater-burrito).

I was also told that those chemical stick-on heating pads work well in a pinch. Open the package, squeeze them or whatever to get the chemicals mixed and it starts heating, and stick it to the outside of the tank before you wrap it up.


As for the UPS ... those things aren't rated to do much more than keep a computer from shutting off before you have time to save the files you're working on and shut it down manually.

Generators seem the best bet, sadly. If I could have found one for sale I could afford I'd have done that. Sadly, they all sold out in the area before I even got out of work on Friday. One store I stopped at there seemed like there could be a riot if people were pushed just enough. I couldn't even find a kerosene heater to purchase.

They announced on the radio that one of the Lowes in the area was getting 200 in on Saturday, and they said over 300 people showed up, and some people bought multiples, so they sold out when the doors opened.


I'm not really sure .. I guess .. what more we could have done.


It was suggested to me to watch Craigslist for generators ... some people bought some and will need the money back, or won't be able to use them, or will find out they need larger ones (or bought too small of one, etc) ... and you may be able to pick one up cheap.

My mother's neighbor got one on Sunday, while the power was still out. They ran into someone with a $2000 generator that sold it to them for about $500. They were elderly, and it was a pull-cord model ... they couldn't get it to start.
 
Hey Pam,
Sorry to hear about your lost. I also going through the same tank crsk due to this ice storm.
At this point, I'm considering whether to rebuild it or not. Not sure if I want to go through this again.
 
Where I live I experince relatively frequent power outages but usually only a few hours at a time so I am prepared.

To keep circulation I only use a battery operated air pump.

As for UPS, the normal pc variety is useless as the only provide very limited backup. If one wants a UPS to operate the tank for hours one needs to buy a very big unit these will cost a thousand or two.

But in my case I use two meths burners places in front of the tannk just below the glass. The se produce large amouunts of heat and are able to keep the water more or less warm.
 
Hi Michaeldaly.

What is a Meth burner? Is it safe to leave unattended?

Thanks!
Pam



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13956450#post13956450 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by michaeldaly
Where I live I experince relatively frequent power outages but usually only a few hours at a time so I am prepared.

To keep circulation I only use a battery operated air pump.

As for UPS, the normal pc variety is useless as the only provide very limited backup. If one wants a UPS to operate the tank for hours one needs to buy a very big unit these will cost a thousand or two.

But in my case I use two meths burners places in front of the tannk just below the glass. The se produce large amouunts of heat and are able to keep the water more or less warm.
 
Hi Nick. I can understand how you feel Nick. It's a sickening feeling, but the way I look at it, is I'm learning from my mistakes and trying to figure out how to avoid it in the future. What I'd suggest, is if you decide you don't want to rebuild, is to take some time and see how you feel in a couple months before selling off any equipment. It also gives you a chance to do things differently. I lost every fish, and the 3 SPS corals I had, but the LPS corals and my zoos are recovering. Now that I have no fish, I can start over with a whole group of new fish. I think I'd like to get a goby/shrimp pair, which I wasn't able to get before, because I had a longnose hawkfish, which would have eaten the shrimp. Best Wishes. Pam

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13956319#post13956319 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by this is me
Hey Pam,
Sorry to hear about your lost. I also going through the same tank crsk due to this ice storm.
At this point, I'm considering whether to rebuild it or not. Not sure if I want to go through this again.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13960973#post13960973 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pammy
Hi Michaeldaly.

What is a Meth burner? Is it safe to leave unattended?

Thanks!
Pam

IOt's pretty much a portable hiking stove type thing that burns methylated spirits. I would not want to leave it unatended as if it were to tip it would start a major fire.

A small portable LPgas heater would also serve the purpose and these often have built in automatic shutoff.
 
Hi CynicalCriminal. Yea, I had no idea the power outage would go on for 3 days either! I've never lost power for more than a couple hours in the 15 years I've lived in this house.

It would have also helped if I was able to wrap up the tank before the temperature had dropped so much. It was already 65 degrees by the time I got home from work. Power hadn't gone out yet when I left for work in the morning. Went out about 30 minutes later.

That is a GREAT idea about the silver emergency bag from a camping store. I HAVE one in my backpack!!! Wouldn't have thought of that. It's a thick silver one.

Another thing I thought of, is getting some thick stryofoam, maybe an inch to 2" thick, to cover the entire tank or some type of foam insulation used to insulate houses....something without fibers. How about something like this?
Insulation

I do think that the one battery operated pump wasn't enough, so I'm ordering a second one today, to put one in each corner of my tank. I bet that one battery operated air pump I had is why I managed to save most of my corals. Just lost the 3 SPS corals.
Wasn't enough to save the fish though.

Last night, my water was nice and clear by the time I got home from work. My duncan coral was back to it's beautiful self. Hammer is still not open all the way, but open more than yesterday. Frogspawn still pretty closed up, but seems to be alive. Suncoral closed up tightly, but not spewing anything out. Don't see any dead tissue on any of the corals. About half of the zoos are opening now. My conch emerged last night, and I now see several Ceriths moving around. I thought that they had all died. About 2 or 3 of the 6 or so Astrea's I had are alive. I see 2 of my 3 bumblebee snails alive. Looks like 3 of the 4 crabs I had are alive. Still a question mark on the Emerald crab. Rock still covered in coralline. Feather duster and cocoa worm look sickly. Don't know if they'll make it.

Pam



<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13954822#post13954822 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CynicalCriminal
Hi Pam, I came through the link you left in my thread about my own problems from the same ice storm :(

I didn't think to move all my livestock elsewhere either. Who would have thought the power would be out for 3 days?! The local power companies were very limited on the information we heard them giving ... it was all "stay tuned for more updates in a few hours" ... but no actual updates, just more "stay tuned" again.

I didn't have any relatives in the area with power still ... we all lost it ... so I couldn't have tubbed all my critters and taken them anywhere unless I got a hotel room and snuck them in. (lol :( )

What burns me is people two blocks over had power, with their inflatable snowmen on the lawn blown up, and x-mas lights all blasting ... and we're huddled around a propane tank trying to keep ourselves alive.



I also did the comforter-wrap on my tank. It helped, for sure ... the tank in my livingroom (we abandoned that room as it was too big to heat with the small propane heater we had) got down to 37 degrees. It was less than 20 degrees in the house at that point.

The tank in the bedroom had all the fish and my single shrimp in it ... so we focused on saving them. I'm not sure how low the temp got ... we stopped looking after a while, I didn't want to see everything had died. At last glance, it was down around 55 degrees.


One suggestion I was given (too late to help, though) was to purchase some of those emergency blankets at camping stores - the ones for hikers and such - they have a foil on one side and are supposedly heavy-duty and keep a lot of heat in. They may make better tank-wraps than fluffy comforters (or just add another layer to the makeshift saltwater-burrito).

I was also told that those chemical stick-on heating pads work well in a pinch. Open the package, squeeze them or whatever to get the chemicals mixed and it starts heating, and stick it to the outside of the tank before you wrap it up.


As for the UPS ... those things aren't rated to do much more than keep a computer from shutting off before you have time to save the files you're working on and shut it down manually.

Generators seem the best bet, sadly. If I could have found one for sale I could afford I'd have done that. Sadly, they all sold out in the area before I even got out of work on Friday. One store I stopped at there seemed like there could be a riot if people were pushed just enough. I couldn't even find a kerosene heater to purchase.

They announced on the radio that one of the Lowes in the area was getting 200 in on Saturday, and they said over 300 people showed up, and some people bought multiples, so they sold out when the doors opened.


I'm not really sure .. I guess .. what more we could have done.


It was suggested to me to watch Craigslist for generators ... some people bought some and will need the money back, or won't be able to use them, or will find out they need larger ones (or bought too small of one, etc) ... and you may be able to pick one up cheap.

My mother's neighbor got one on Sunday, while the power was still out. They ran into someone with a $2000 generator that sold it to them for about $500. They were elderly, and it was a pull-cord model ... they couldn't get it to start.
 
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while its a sad loss i see its mainly only fish you lost, which is not as bad as a total wipe out
which says alot for corals, they may be more adaptable than we give them credit for
 
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