lost battle with neomeris

I know this isn't what you want to hear since it's already been said but it truly does look pretty cool! lol That being said I can see how it would get boring staring at just that after awhile... I wonder though would that stuff be good for a seahorse tank? Something for them to perch off of?
 
I know this isn't what you want to hear since it's already been said but it truly does look pretty cool! lol That being said I can see how it would get boring staring at just that after awhile... I wonder though would that stuff be good for a seahorse tank? Something for them to perch off of?

it might actually be really cool in a SH tank because you typically don't have other corals to worry about. the density is an awesome breeding ground for all the critters and good for the SH long snouts to get in and hunt for them.

In regards to the Pros and Cons of the A.T.S. you guys are discussing. I did a little research on them with an open mind and so I would have an understanding of the concept or general knowledge if nothing else... correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it kind of the same as a refugium without the copepods aspect? I don't know if anyone caught any of my other threads or my tank info at the bottom of my posts where I mentioned it, but I have a 35gal display refugium on the other side of the wall directly plumbed to my main Tank. it is overgrown with a couple Cheato species, 4 mangroves, three varieties of Calurpa, Halimeda and two to three random other macros. I actually placed a rock with some Neo on it that I pulled out of the tank into the fuge and it grew quite undisturbed and clearly it has has no effect of that growing in my main tank.

I started the bleaching last night. I will update over the next couple months if anyone would like to go along for the ride.
 
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How could an ATS be the worst route to go? Any algea growing in our tanks is a good thing.

Do yourself a favor, and google "allelopathy, macroalgae". You'll find lots and lots of reading to explain why algae growing in our systems, where we are trying to grow coral, is not a good thing. Here's just one link to get you started. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8qmDBw&usg=AFQjCNHdDq3etn-56l_cfydRzLEb_hiQyQ


Unfortunately, it looks terrible.

Then why do we want it in our systems????


Why not give it an ideal place to grow where it won't be seen, and therefore prevent it from growing where you don't want it?

Why not keep the system clean where nuisance algae doesn't grow to dominate?????



Anyone who believes in the effectivness of using cheato believes this.

Read my signature line below about believers. (I actually borrowed that line from a moderator here on RC.;))

I just did a search, here on RC, for "chaeto dying". I got 20 pages of threads. Why are so many people having trouble growing Chaeto? IMHO and Experience, it's because we have better methods of nutrient control. Detritus removal, skimming, water changes, and filter media are just some of the examples of methods that work, and most of us employ some combination of these.
Chaeto must have a given level of nutrients within the system to grow and prosper. If the nutrient level isn't high enough, the algae simply falls apart, you end up with a continually shrinking wad of algae, and dying algae fragments littering the bottom of the sump/fuge. Some hobbyists "believe" so strongly in the magical powers of algae that even after finding themselves in this situation, they simply go buy more chaeto. These hobbyists aren't filtering their water with chaeto. They're adding nutrients to their systems. They're making their systems more dirty, not more clean. If chaeto is growing and prospering within the system, the system MUST be maintaining levels of nitrogen and phosphorous high enough to support that growth. This can easily exceed the comfortable nutrient levels for some delicate coral reef organisms, like stony corals. This nutrient level, combined with allelopathic substances from multiple species of algae, is likely the cause of poor coral health in the OP's system.


Out of time for now. Be back soon.:wave:
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Anyone else find it ironic that the nutrient export capabilities of our tanks now allow us to keep new and exciting types of invasive algae? I truly hope the acid works for you. I know bleach on its own won't kill bubble algae. I bought a used powerhead that had a few bubbles of valonia on it. It was soaked in bleach and vinegar then left dry for over two months. Within a few months in the tank it appeared in the exact same spot on said powerhead. It gave me new respect for the resiliency of algae though.
 
Ild suspect that you were falsely sold pre "fossilized" branching live rock. Ie if you break a branch off It is still white in the center. I've seen all kinds of wierd growth issues with that type of rock. Also the frags of that sold on eBay would probably pay for better live rock. I donot mean to nash on your rock...but if the centers of a good portion of it is white still Ild recommend getting different or "actual" rock. The branch rock sold as live rock that has not turned to rock yet (mouthful) has proven time over to cause long term stability issues I. The system. Most reputable LFS won't carry it that I know of.
 
Oh and on a side note amongst the banter and subjective ranting above.....if your rock does fit try fore mentioned description any exposure to chemicals will permeate to a decent depth of the rock and slowly leach out over time due to its porosity. Also, just an opinion here...if you take time invested compared to time enjoyed you may be better off starting over to save headache. Just depends on what $300-$400 of your time is worth IMO.
 
Ild suspect that you were falsely sold pre "fossilized" branching live rock. Ie if you break a branch off It is still white in the center. I've seen all kinds of wierd growth issues with that type of rock. Also the frags of that sold on eBay would probably pay for better live rock. I donot mean to nash on your rock...but if the centers of a good portion of it is white still Ild recommend getting different or "actual" rock. The branch rock sold as live rock that has not turned to rock yet (mouthful) has proven time over to cause long term stability issues I. The system. Most reputable LFS won't carry it that I know of.

Might I ask what you mean by "pre-fossilized" live rock. The rock we use is, or should be, calcium carbonate. Any rock made up of such will function the same in buffering the tank. Different brands of dry rock may have phosphate or contamination issues but I wouldn't say these are because the rock hasn't turned to rock yet.
 
Might I ask what you mean by "pre-fossilized" live rock. The rock we use is, or should be, calcium carbonate. Any rock made up of such will function the same in buffering the tank. Different brands of dry rock may have phosphate or contamination issues but I wouldn't say these are because the rock hasn't turned to rock yet.

No it is not the same, from an internal and external physicall structure stand point and from the standpoint of its interaction with the water. I donot know the exact mechanics at work, just observation and knowledge sharing with other techs and aquatic contractors. Incredibly porous calcium carbonate that literally has micro structures to facilitate the growth of symbiote algae to any extent will not behave the same as stone or something more alike to it. Albiet both are porous though one factors more than the other. The buffering action is also not the same due to surface area and composition of the rock. This is very obvious just looking at the two side by side. That said....lol.
@ op I just read back through your whole ordeal...whoa. I would simply be done with it. If the funds are there, building a reef is (to me at least) one of the most enjoyable activities on earth. Ild say have some fun with different lr and sand considering there's not much else in there and your time invested in the issues.

Sorry to take this so far off course here.
 
Did you try starving it with a more agressive macro?

I have tried no less than 20 macros over the last two years with no result

No worries Nick. I'm in the process already so I'm going to roll it through. Once I'm done I'm going to run it for 6 mo or so to see if this stuff is going to return. I picked most of the rocks/ branch up from Aquatic Warehouse here in Cali they are extremely knowledgeable and very upstanding. I got the rest from friends / fellow reefers with very well established tanks who have never had any of these problems. if this acid run yields no results I WILL dump it all and start from the ground up. this is my last resort
 
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Sorry for digging up an old thread, but I was wondering how the acid dip turned out. I have been dealing with neomeris for over 1.5 years to no avail. Sometimes it doesn't look that bad, and other times it has exploded in Growth and taken over the tank
 
I saw some of this at a LFS one time and thought, wow thats cool stuff. Browsing the net turned up this pic.. Wow it looks like it really can take over! EEek!

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I saw some of this at a LFS one time and thought, wow thats cool stuff. Browsing the net turned up this pic.. Wow it looks like it really can take over! EEek!

Mine was about a month away from looking just like that!

RK: I don't mind the blast from the past. I'm happy to share my results if it saves anyone fighting this beast from the headache that I had to deal with. The acid dip was a complete success! I would be happy to share the exact steps I took if you are interested but I will share now that I recycled my tank once everything had dried out real well. I added brightwell aquatics MicroBacter7 for a couple months and let it run with nothing for an additions month or two. My coraline is finally completely recovered and I am currently keeping rare exotic SPS, Stylos, Monitis, Ricordias, a really cool clam and a couple LPS and a handful of Macros. Not a Neomeris in sight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! finally I love this hobby again :bounce3: Good luck with your battle, I have been there and do not regret tearing it down with the exception of not saving my snowflake clowns :sad2:
 
Sorry for digging up an old thread, but I was wondering how the acid dip turned out. I have been dealing with neomeris for over 1.5 years to no avail. Sometimes it doesn't look that bad, and other times it has exploded in Growth and taken over the tank

Have you tried Fauna Marin Ultra Algae X?
 
thanks for the additional input guys but I encourage you to read through the entire thread though.

Solid: you had suggested the deep freeze previously and we found several reasons why it wouldn't work. But thanx again for the suggestion

Time Consumer: this stuff is not like your typical algae, not only does it create it's own nutrient supply but it is calcareous and un affected by these types of medications. Those of us who have it have been fighting for years and I personally have tried every fix off the shelf in addition to some harsh experimental stuff including an H2O2 Nuke that has been proven to kill everything it touches. A week or two later and they were growing right back. This stuff really is bionic!!!! I do greatly appreciate your interest and feedback though thanx!:thumbsup:
 
Time Consumer: this stuff is not like your typical algae, not only does it create it's own nutrient supply but it is calcareous and un affected by these types of medications. Those of us who have it have been fighting for years and I personally have tried every fix off the shelf in addition to some harsh experimental stuff including an H2O2 Nuke that has been proven to kill everything it touches. A week or two later and they were growing right back. This stuff really is bionic!!!! I do greatly appreciate your interest and feedback though thanx!:thumbsup:

So you're saying the three pieces of this I have in my display should be destroyed with extreme prejudice?
 
Absolutely! Actually... mine started off as 1 then 3 then a little patch of them which at the time I thought were really cool looking. I researched them and couldn't find anything bad about them at all so I let it ride. they reproduce via spores like mold so they spread quickly and everywhere.
If you have the chance, pull that rock out now and drop it in the trash. trust me on this...... Several years of headache and (no BS) 1000s of dollars working on a fix I wish the information we have about these now was available a few years ago.
 
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