Macro Lens suggestions

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14605012#post14605012 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reef Bass
Nice. You're off to a great start!

I can only see the complete image data in the EXIF info on the first two. fStop and shutterspeed are lacking for me on the others.

Image #1. I can see where you're headed and I like it. It feels to me as though it should be clearer. I think the long exposure time has something to do with that. Notice how #2 is clearer and uses about 1/2 the shutterspeed. If you want that depth of field for #1 you might try upping your ISO. Be careful with that though as you'll introduce noise if you get carried away. How high is too high depends on your camera.

#3 is very nice. Clean your glass. :) I personally prefer "pieces of subjects" shots v. "whole subject" shots. You might try cropping tighter on an interesting area in that shot.

#4 very nice again. Adjusting the piece or the lighting would reduce the amount of dark area. It looks a bit overexposed in the upper right.

I like the poppin colors in #5, though some people prefer a less saturated look. I'd have cropped more off the right. To me either sharpness or contrast looks too high, maybe a bit of each. The focal plane is off for me. I find with zoanthids that focusing on the "mouth" is stronger visually, like focusing on the eyes of a subject.

I havnet tried yet but when i do ide like that break down to be in English please. :p
 
Rickinferno, you're welcome. Keep in mind that my opinions are just that, opinions. You're obviously on the right path. Keep at it.

FYI, I try to leave my ISO at 100 whenever possible. That helps to keep noise at a minimum and to maximize visual goodness. The times I don't are usually when I need to use a faster shutterspeed and can't without giving up DOF or increasing ISO.

AquamanE, thanks for the chuckle. If you have any specific questions, let me know.
 
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This is definately harder than I thought !!!!!

Help!! :o :(

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You're close! Here are some opinions for you...

#1 I like the composition and subject. fstop too high, shutterspeed too long. Dial that puppy back to f11ish. You should be able to gain clarity and sharpness reducing your shutterspeed. You may need to bump up your ISO too if your shutterspeed is over 2 or 3 seconds. I personally only use a 2 or 3 second exposure when the subject is totally still, pumps are off and I want to use a low ISO.

#2 either you hand held the shot or the focal plane wasn't set where you wanted it. Using f2.8 will result in a very shallow DOF which means not much besides the immediate focal plane will be sharp. If you're using a tripod, stop down to f8-11 or so and be aware of your focal plane (where the focus is).

#3 looks like your pumps are on and the water movement is blurring the polyps. Turn 'em off before shooting. Those are reasonable fstop and shutterspeed values if things aren't moving.

Overall, you're clearly headed in the right direction. Keep at it. I personally find trying to improve shots until I feel I've gotten what I wanted to be a good learning tool. I suggest reshooting these and seeing the effects your changes have.

You might also try using a higher ISO in general until you feel more comfortable doing what's necessary to go with 100 all the time.
 
Eddie,

ignore these if you already know these info. the higher the f stop, the deeper the depth of field. for tank macros, f11 or higher is recommended. One trick to avoid blur in case the shutter speed is too long (> 1/30th of a second) is to use the self timer when taking the picture. Set the self timer, then your camera shake after you press the button will be gone by the time the camera takes the picture. no need for remote switch. and a tripod is needed, obviously.

nice pics nonetheless.
 
THanks for the advise guys.

ReefBass- yes pumps where on. it makes sense to turn them off. And yes im using a tripod, but not the timer. I will use timer.

Doughboy or ReefBass- Is there a range I should be concentrating on with fstop, ISO, and shutter. I was all over the place for these pics, not knowing where to even start. Also my camera, canon xti, has choices- P= autoexposure, Tv- shutter priority, i choose speed, Av- Aperture priority, i choose aperture, A-DEP- camera chooses DOF, and sets aperture and speed based on focal points. M= full manual, dont think for me since i dont have a clue. :)

It took 15 shots to get these three. I dont mind but would like to know a range to stay around for best results. Also- Canon software allows me to play with RAW imiges if I knew what to do. .:rolleyes:

based on your responses ill take more and repost.

Thanks, again

Doughboy BTW_ BH&H- good price, free shipping, for another $7 2 day shipping. Ordered on Sunday night, got it Wed morning. No issues whatsoever.
 
The settings will be different for each shot you take. Factors that influence include but are NOT limited to: speed the subject is moving, size of the subject, distance between lens and subject, focal length of the lens (mm), intensity of light hitting the subject, angle of light hitting the subject, whether you want the background in or out of focus, ect. ect. ect. ect. As you can see many factors influence the correct settings. Other than intensity of light hitting the subject and the focal length of the lens, no automatic camera's settings even have a clue what to make of the situation...it is just a vague guess. You must train your brain to anticipate these factors and make appropriate decisions accordingly.

I don't know how far back in your tank your prize colony is...how fast the polyps are swaying back and forth...or even how large your colony is. I don't know the intensity of your metal halide or VHO lights in relation to an exposure. What about surface agitation bending the light back and forth making the shimmer? That comes into play a little bit to.

So...is there a range you should be concentrating on with the fstop, ISO, and shutter? Yes but I don't know what it is and neither does anyone else on these boards. You are the only person in a position to find out so I suggest you start learning all about this stuff.

The best advice I can give you to start with is this:
1) Set your camera to "Av"
2) Pick the very lowest setting your lens will let you i.e. f/2.8
3) Set your ISO to the very highest setting your camera will let you i.e. 1600
4) Use a tripod, remote shutter release or timer, turn your pumps off, clean your glass, and do all of the other preparation work.

Will the resulting image be breath taking? Probably not. Will it be unbearably noisy? Probably. I bet it will be the sharpest image of that coral you have ever taken though.

Now that you are on the extreme speed side experiment! Look at the settings the camera is generating. They stable image after image.

Now switch to "M" mode and pick those same settings. In "M" mode, change your aperture, shutter speed, and ISO independently. Remember if you subtract power from one of them (say Aperture), you should in theory add an equal amount to the other two (Shutter Speed and/or ISO). If you give to much the picture will become brighter. If you take too much the picture will become darker. If you give and take at the same time...the "brightness" will remain the same. The increments are called "stops", and if you don't already know what a stop is then STOP! You haven't done enough homework yet.
 
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Titusvillesurfer- Thanks for the advise. That is exactly what iwas looking for. I appreciate the fact that you do not know my details, but at least i have something to start with. On the other hand, you HAVE underestimated my ignorance when it comes to photography, I DONT know what a "stop" is, but will research it. Thnaks for the homework..

BTW- My inlaws lived in Titusville for a few years. I once took my boat up the intracoastal from Miami to Titusville, and docked at the Titusville Marina for a few days. The most beautiful ride i have every taken. The Banana river and Indian River are spectacular. What a ride.
 
Here are a few new pictures I just took; Leave your comments please!

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I did play alot with my settings and these are my best ones so far.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14614198#post14614198 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquamanE
BTW- My inlaws lived in Titusville for a few years. I once took my boat up the intracoastal from Miami to Titusville, and docked at the Titusville Marina for a few days. The most beautiful ride i have every taken. The Banana river and Indian River are spectacular. What a ride.

I absolutely love Titusville. The vast wildlife refuge leaves seemingly endless opportunity to be with nature, and if you love fishing that would be hard to top. Of course it is the ONLY place in the world where this happens:
Taken a few hours ago from the Titusville bridge over the Indian River:
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Always preferred diving to fishing therefore down south is better for me.

Yes, Space Shuutle launches cannot be described. You have to be there to believe the enormity of it. I was there a few years back when John Glenn went on a joyride, it was amazing. Nice pic.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14482438#post14482438 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TitusvileSurfer
Get the 100mm f/2.8

The 180mm f/3.5 would be even better if you want to talk about price difference.

I have the 100mm macro and like it a lot. If I have money burning a hole in my pocket at the end of the year however, I am going to take a look at that 180mm macro. One of the things that draws me to it is what I read in this review:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-180mm-f-3.5-L-USM-Macro-Lens-Review.aspx

Towards the middle of the review, it shows the 180mm compared to the 100mm and 60mm. With the same framing and same aperture, you would get the same depth of field, so in each the flower looks the same. What looks different is the background because of the compression you get from the angle of view. With the 180mm, you can basically get a tack sharp shot of a coral but have the background completely blurred.
 
I think im getting the hang of this. Using Titusvillesurfers advice, i set ISO to 1600, f2.8, in Av mode. Watched what camera was doing with speed, switched to manual and played with speed till i got these. Still needs some help, but i think better than before. More advice please.......

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Remember that speed is everything. Too much speed is a waste, but having too much to eat is better than starving.

The example I gave you to start with was a deliberate example of too much speed. Now you can bring your ISO down for less interference, or bring your aperture down for more DOF (how much of the coral is in focus). The sharpness of the image will be best in the f/5.6-f/8 range. Wider than f/5.6 or narrower than f/8 will (slightly) reduce the quality of the image.

You have to keep giving and taking until you find the perfect mix. Your first step should be to find EXACTLY what shutter speed you can get away with in your situation. 1/20? 1/30? 1/60? 1/100? Once you know your minimum acceptable shutter speed, you can spread the excess between ISO and Aperture. In macro work, less aperture (f/32 vs. f/2.8) is often better. This is simply because more of the subject will be in clear focus. If you only want a specific portion of the subject in focus, a wider aperture (such as f/8) may be the best option. So you pick your minimum acceptable shutter speed, pick the aperture you need, and the rest goes to ISO.

Take special care to observe and more importantly understand the exposure meter in the bottom of your viewfinder when working in manual mode. The needle which fluctuates between -2..-1..0..1..2 determines how dark or bright the camera thinks the image will be. The -2, -1, 0, 1, and 2 all represent "stops". Remember that vocabulary word? The periods in between the numbers represent 1/3 of a stop. There are several metering modes which will change this reading. For example you can meter off the entire image equally, a small portion in the center of the image (the circle in your viewfinder), or other less straight-forward modes. The metering mode you select will possibly change where the needle rests in the exposure meter. This is one reason manual mode is superior over other modes, and why full automatic is not the way to go.

In manual mode the increments of the exposure will never change unless you tell the camera to change them. If you take pictures in automatic mode, the images may vary from too dark to too bright while still staring at the same subject! This is very evident in panoramic photographs done in automatic modes. I know a guy who posts panoramics on Myspace all the time from his dedicated "Photography" page. He refuses to actually learn photography and you can easily tell where the exposure changes within the shot to the point of being ridiculous.

What I am getting at is that the camera does NOT know best. Just because that needle is on the center at "0" doesn't mean it should be. If what you are metering off of is white, the meter will underexpose and try to make it gray. If what you are metering off of is black, the meter will overexpose and try to make it gray. With experience, and only experience, you will learn instinctively when to purposely overexpose or underexpose. For example, green trees are relatively dark in the world of photography. The camera will normally, and incorrectly, overexpose +2/3 of a stop to correct so you have to counter this and underexpose -2/3 of a stop to compensate. The result is exposure bliss.
 
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