mandarin question to the pros

I have had a pet mandrin for about 10 months now, and (s)he is doing great. I did seed my sump with a bottles of tigerpods, at first, but nothing since and my tank is just a year old. By repetition (I believe), I have trained him to come to a certain spot for each feeding (4 per day). He is NOT afraid of me. in fact, when he sees me coming with the "turkey baster" he hurries over to his normal spot for feeding. He is so very beautiful (and fat). He reminds me of a humming bird, also. I was told by AC he was born in captivity. He will even accept small slivers of crab meat, along with his brine schrimp. I call him "flitter".
 
That's awesome, Linda! Its really hard to get one that will eat like that. However, I've got a feeling that will soon change with Mathew Wittenrich's and ORA's advancements.

Brandon
 
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You're not going to like the answer as it defies some convential wisdom. The male started in a 125 gallon tank and pretty much lived out his life there. Probably about 100-150 lbs. of live rock. No fuge, no sand bed, never had one. Tanks mates were several fairy wrasses, haliocheres sp. wrasse, and a few other gobies that would be considered competitors for food. His success is probably attributed to the fact that he ate frozen food, primarily mysis, once a day in addition to the pods he found. It's a good thing too because many years ago I had to treat for red bugs and I'm sure that did a number on the pods. When I added the female almost 2 years ago he taught her how to eat frozen within about a week. They spawned for awhile but it was probably more than his old body could take so he passed away last year after about 6 years of captive life.
 
... They spawned for awhile but it was probably more than his old body could take so he passed away last year after about 6 years of captive life.

:lol: Poor guy. Care to share your technique for training her to eat frozen?

Brandon
 
:lol: Poor guy. Care to share your technique for training her to eat frozen?

Brandon

The male learned how to eat frozen on his own, the male trained the female how to eat frozen. I had nothing to do with the whole process other than to supply the food :)
 
I emailed the company that Cheng provided the link to and this is what they emailed back:

The Blue Mandarins take about a year to get to a proper size for shipping. The larvae of the Blue Mandarin's were collected last June. So the Blue Mandarins should be available sometime around this June. That is why you can't find them at this time. We do have plenty of Green Spotted Mandarins available if you can't wait for the Blue ones.

I emailed back to see if they can have some shipped to the Critter cuz I've been wanting one for a while.

I will let you know what they say.
 
They told me that they have sent fish to Animal City in Murfreesboro so I called them and the girl there told me that she will not have an order in to them for another 3 weeks. She told me that if I ordered 25 fish (any kind of fish or stuff) or so from ORA that she can get an order right away. Sound like a group buy to me...... I'm in for 1 Green mandarin. Cheng provided a link to ORA above.
 
If I place the Copepods in my sump refugium, and assume they breed will they flow into my tank through the normal circulation of the pumps? in turn, providing regular food for a mandarin.
 
If I place the Copepods in my sump refugium, and assume they breed will they flow into my tank through the normal circulation of the pumps? in turn, providing regular food for a mandarin.

yes and no...more times then not things die when going through the pump so ya cant depend on that for feeding really....though this poses the question...is there a pump out there that works best for passing things through it lol
 
You're not going to like the answer as it defies some convential wisdom.

Those are the only answers I ever like! =D Awesome, I am a bit shocked at the amount of competition, yeah, vs. size tank - but still, there are lots of things that can go on in a system to affect pod production - now what did you feed your pods, anything? Phyto? Just mysis juice? ;)

I always thought it was pretty easy to get mandarins to eat - only maybe one in every ten is just impossible for a couple of weeks and you fear them starving before they start. It has been a long time since I have distributed wild collected fish, or any fish at all, lol - but I used to get mandarins into stores I worked, and then when I had my own store I would get them in, keep them for a couple of weeks and teach them to eat, then sell them...after a few years when I noticed that none of them were alive anymore, I felt too bad to continue...no matter how well they ate, they are dying that fast anyway? What was the point? =(

The way I usually used to train them to eat wouldn't work well in a high flow display - I just buried a piece of frozen mysis in the sand so the top of it was flat with the sand level - in an area with pretty much NO flow. It kind of helps to have another really small fish in there, or a hermit crab or something, that will go up to it and mess with it but not eat it all, just kind of spread it around and make it wiggle a little, lol.

The other way is the feeding box - like another poster described they get trained to the same spot, even your hand or the turkey baster once they are eating. The trick is to get the food to slow down enough for them to catch it, really, so a feeding box that your mandarin can go in to eat where the food won't be whipped away so fast helps - but you have to leave it in there for awhile before they will go in it.

The real key is figure out how you can get the food to stay put and do that in the same place every single time. They have a pretty good memory, and if you put the food in the same place and get it to stay there with nothing else eating it all every day, in less than a week 90% of them eat - and for whatever reason, the one fish out of ten that didn't was always a female. Not sure why, except maybe the males are bolder? Anyway, thanks for the thread, can't help but love these little guys!

Oh yeah, lol - I don't believe there is any pump that will spit out live pods until I see it. ;) I would pull up a chair for that demo, though! =D
 
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Great discussion! I hope to add one to my tank eventually as I have a very strong population of pods, but have been chicken. i have a 6 line that would compete for food as well as a Pygmy angel. I have some pods that are HUGE that I doubt my wrasse could get in his mouth! I plan to put in a small fuge down the road strictly for pod reproduciton.

Animal City in teh Boro?? when did they start carrying saltwater? thats that place on NW Broad right?
 
Great discussion! I hope to add one to my tank eventually as I have a very strong population of pods, but have been chicken. i have a 6 line that would compete for food as well as a Pygmy angel. I have some pods that are HUGE that I doubt my wrasse could get in his mouth! I plan to put in a small fuge down the road strictly for pod reproduciton.

Animal City in teh Boro?? when did they start carrying saltwater? thats that place on NW Broad right?

Yup that's the one. I work in the Boro and go there from time to time. Their saltwater stuff is very weak but it looks like ORA sells to them so that may be our only choice to get a tank-raised mandarin.
 
I got two of green mandarin in my tank now. And love them also they will eat pellets right off the bat. No training need.
 
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