Mangroves shipped cold?? Dead or??

Mr James

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A stupid move on my part, I bought some mangroves from a guy on ebay. He shipped them USPS, the slowest possible to keep costs down. They were frozen, no question about it. They were brown and hard after I thawed them. Are the presumed dead??

He also gave me some seedlings, which have done alright so far, I think. I have them suspended in my fuge with sytrofoam. I plan to do a shallow tank, hooked onto my fuge, with some sort of Miracle Mud as the base. Is this correct??

I will do some more reading and plan to get some more in the summertime when things warm up around here.
 
Probably dead. I had the same problem when i shipped mangroves using USPS.

Check out www.banana-tree.com
They ship mangroves year-round and are very good at shipping to cold climates. Mangroves are found under seeds, Rhizophora mangle. Probably cheaper than what you paid for on ebay.. 100 for $43
 
Wow, thanks!! I appreciate it. I don't think I am ready for them yet though. I need to get my fuge in order I think.

Is floating them under decent light enough??
 
I think if people saw the difference in growth between mangroves grown in a sandbed, and those grown with roots in water, they would be surprised.

I'd put the roots in a sandbed if possible.
 
No offense, but that was a terrible article. It is filled with very bad information. Wow, I don't even know where to begin! I will just point out a few of the worst bits.

First off, the person is selling mangrove "seeds" for $8 each (reduced from $17). I assume they are selling propagules, not seeds. I have already posted a link to a place that sells them for $0.47 each ( a bit better than $8 i'd say)

The person knows very little about plant biology. I found error after error on various things. I will comment on this Answer in the Q&A section....

Will my mangroves grow too large? No, they will not. The roots get larger but you can alwasy trim those back if need be. The seed itself can be kept small by nipping off the leaves (always leave at least one). Never pinch all the leaves off.

This will keep the mangrove to 8 to 10 inches. If you feel like it you can let it grow larger but it is not necessary for water purification. I have one that has 16 leaves and is about one foot tall and looks real nice and sits in a 30 gallon sump installed on a 75 gallon tank. It is not yet in mud or sand and has a rather large root structure. I am letting it grow to see how large it will actually become in aquarium conditions as opposed to in nature. It has taken over 9 months to get it that large and I "planted" it in styro shortly after we arrived in Atlanta in early April of 1997.


This is a terrible answer. You should want as many leaves as possible and a very large root system. The only reason you should prune the leaves is to keep the height in check. This person advocates keeping only one leaf on the plant at a time. They claim its the roots that are important, not the leaves. They obviously don't know the function of leaves and their impact on root growth. And please, dont trim the roots... this makes no sense at all!

This also shows what type of growth to expect with their care techniques. In 9 months, ive had mangrove plants grow 2 feet and produce hundreds of leaves.

They also try to support the claim that mangroves are excellent for nutrient removal and oxygen stabilization. The way this is supported is almost comical. Absolutely no understanding about how plants work

Okay, thats all i'll say for now. Please don't believe anything you read in that article. Remember, he is selling a product, i'm not.
 
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Triterium, I didn't know?... Sorry everybody.
I found this article and planted my seeds according to that method. Not knowing anything about mangroves I found it helpful.
I know his price would be easy to beat... I went to Craigs List and found a person living in FL. who sent me 8 of them for free...lol they even paid for the shipping. ($1.46) by U.S.P.S.
I then planted them.
I didn't have any other source of info. Triterium, you have given me good advice. For this I thank you.
I did however know that for nutrient export they could easly be beat by most macro algae.
Again I'm sorry everyone if this a bad article.

Lucky
 
Lucky, you should try half floating and half in a sand bed. Within 2 months you will notice a big difference. :)

And if you want really good growth, try putting some fresh-water fertilzier tabs in the sand bed (especially if it's a new sandbed). My sandbed had manure, peatmoss, and a few dozen houseplant fertilizer tabs. I definately wouldn't recommend this on most aquariums, however.
 
Yeah, I think I'm going to pick up some sand this weekend (crushed coral? ) and put a few in it. I have some fert. tabs that I can stick in also. Great idea. How much water should I keep in the planter?
I wil llet you guys know how it goes.
Lucky
 
I would keep as much water as possible for salinity stability. I would use a sand that is fine, perhaps oolitic. The mangroves produce very small roots. If this planter will not be connected to the aquarium, you could also add some garden soil to the sand. You could also try growing them in regular potting soil and use fresh water. Keep them in a pot just like any other houseplant. Keep the soil moist and fertilize often. This method can work really well and is easy.
 
ok, Thanks for all the help. I am feeling like they may have a chance to be big and pretty. Thanks to all your help :)

Lucky
 
Triterium, have you noticed that mangroves uptake a lot of magnesium? I have around 8 red mangroves in my sump and the leaves are finally starting to sprout and the roots are spreading. My mg seems quite low and I was wondering if this could be in part due to the mangroves.
 
You should watch the roots, and trim them back at times. Mangrove roots are strong, and left unchecked they can cause cracks and structural damage to your tank. Because of this, some people like to float them, this way a sandbed doesn't have to be interrupted to maintain the tree.

Triterium is right though, they grow much quicker substrate, especially miracle mud. You should just be aware why people float them, before you neglect root growth.
 
I've never seen an aquarium crack from mangrove roots, but it seems possible. I've usually grown them in plastic and acrylic tanks though.

Maximus, i've never measured magnesium levels in any of my tanks. I added fertilizer with magnesium to the sandbed, however.
 
I dont have my book handy, but if memory serves Rhizophora makes use of a Mg/Na pump within the cells by essentially exchanging sodium (Na) for magnesium (Mg) to keep the sodium levels at survivable conditions. If you're growing lots of mangroves you may see some Mg depletion over time because of this. If you have lots of Mg consumers in the tank (mangroves and critters) then you may see it fall quite a bit.

There are other ways to lose Mg as well. Doesn't it percipitate out if you're not careful with alkalinity dosing?

I've never noticed low Mg with my mangroves but I dont have a whole lot of them and I do lots (lots!) of water changes. I may be adding enough Mg back to compensate. (?)

>Sarah
 
What are you guys/gals keeping your humidity at? mine have a top over them (2 liter bottle cut in half) their humidity has to be around 100% based on the beaded water inside of them. Is this needed?
Also I have pulled two of them and planted them in sand. still salt water so we will see how they do. :)
I'll let everyone know as we go.

Lucky
 
During winter, the humidity in my greenhouse was above 90%
During summer, it was below 20%.

The mangroves did well with both
 
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