Mantis on Foster and Smith

I bought one yesterday. It was ID'd by Dr Roy to be an Odontodactylus Graphurus... I had them dely my shipping untul NEXT Thursday because the tank is still cycling. I saw them a couple weeks ago too, but they disappeared after a couple days. I emailed them asking when they would get more, and they said they would Not... THEN yesterday I saw them on there and immediately ordered one. He or she is going in a 10 gal set up.
Dr Roy mentioned it was an very active species during the day, and lives in shallow water (good for brighter lights), and packs a hard punch! It also does well in captivity and gets around 4 inches max...
 
Oh yeah, fishsupply.com has O. Chiragra's for sale for $30, I have heard good things about this species. The only reason I didnt order this one was the price was about twice the graphurus, and I dont know anyone who has a graphurus, so I figure I could be the guinea pig...
 
They are Gonodactylaceus graphurus (I think) I can't be sure until I can see a close up of the telson. I sent them an email correcting the genus and giving them my best guess as to the species.



Roy
 
I have had one from liveaquaria for 2 weeks and to be honest I am somewhat disappointed. I am far from an expert on the different species, but I ordered one thinking it would be a G. Graphurus and I don't think it is what I received. It is not lime green mixed with brown, not colorful, not 3 inches, and no orange spots.
Basically when I first found out liveaquaria had them and that the one in the picture looked possibly like a G. Graphurus and that it would be a good species for my new tank (daylight active, aggressive, and not as sensitive to bright light) I emailed them to confirm that it was collected in the indo pacific and had orange meral spots like G. graphurus. The email I received back from them confirmed this, so I decided to order one thinking that once liveaquaria runs out of them it could be quite awhile before they come back in stock.
Anyway, what I recieved is a really small very very dark green almost black mantis with off white meral(?) spots (the spots on the smashers). He (she) is no more than an inch and a half big even though their ad says 3 inches approximate size.
So far in 2 weeks I have only seen it for less than 2 minutes total. I see it about every 2-3 days (I unsuccessfully try to feed it more often than this) when I put frozen krill on a skewer. It comes out, beats up the krill and the skewer, and takes off with the krill with a nice little burnout back to his cave.
I still think he is neat and will be setting up a 10 gallon for him but he is not active enough right now to put in the 36 gallon I had been preparing for him at my office.
I have tried really hard to get some pics for an ID, but I cant seem to get the pics to come out at all. They are either too blurry, too small, or my knee.
RWH, I asked liveaquaria to hold him for me also while my tank cycles and they refused. That is strange that you got a different answer. Also, how is the new clown doing in with your peacock? What other tankmates do you have?
I hope this helps, Allen
 
If the meral spot is not orange, it is not G. graphurus, G. ternatensis or G. glabrous. Given the habitat they are being collected from, one possibility is Gonodactylellus viridis. This is a very color polymorphic species. It lives in the low intertidal, so is probably able to take very bright light. In fact, all gonodactylids that I know of are day active and most that get larger than 3 inches live in shallow water and can handle bright, broad spectrum light.

It is the norm for a gonodactylid to stay in its cavity for weeks. Why would you come out when there is a giant hulking predator lurking about? True, individuals of some species adapt fairly quickly to the presence of people and may even learn to come out for food, but that is not what you should expect when receiving a new gonodactylid.

Roy
 
I emailed them and they said I could select my shipping date. So i am having it shipped aug 4th. My peacock and clown seem to be fine together, they have been very close to each other with no quarrels... I will let you now if anything changes. I had a damsel (greyish blue color) and he lived in there a while with no issues, until he gave in to ich a few weeks ago...
 
appleknocker: have you been able to get any pics? I emailed them today asking about their size and colors to see if they have any variety... They said they could guarantee any color or size, but they were all around 3-4 inches...
 
Well, at least they are reasonably efficient at updating their website. I sent them an email a few days ago correcting the genus name and that is now reflected in the description.

Roy
 
I'm still hoping to get a better pic of him. It's hard because he is basically black and only about an inch big and when he comes out it is over quick, he is an efficient hunter. He gets what he wants to eat fast and heads back to safety. While I pretty much panic when I see him and screw up taking the pics. I am going to try again tonight after work. He wouldn't come out yesterday when I tried, so I expect to see him this time.
 
I'm ordering one this week and should have him on friday. it may be a total grab-bag, but either way its probably worth the 16.95.
 
I got mine from liveaquaria on the 2nd. So far he has not been very active. When I first got him he ran around the tank and checked it all out, then he found his home. Sometimes I see him peaking out at me watching me but most of the time he is stays tucked away. I am guessing he is still getting used to his new enviroment. Mine has eaten a little bit of shrimp and Maybe a hermit grab but that is about it. As for his color and size, he is definatly about 3 inches long and very lime green almost florescent. He moved around so much I havent' had a good chance to get a really good look at him and my digital camera sucks so I will go an dbuy a new on next week or the week after so I can snap some good pics of him.
 
I got him today, bright lime green, seems active, but wouldnt eat a crayfish I offered. Did however smack around and eat some ghost shrimp. He is about 3 inches with a white streak down his back, I will get some close up pics posted within the next couple days. He quickly found his burrow, and doesnt seem to be bothered by the little yellow tailed damsel in the tank. (in fact the damsel had been swimming and living through the pvc mantis burrow, and swam through it today w/ the mantis inside, but there were no reprecussions to her actions....yet...
There are two red legged hermits, and one large turbo snail, we will see what happens....
 
Humm sounds like they are just getting diff mantis shrimps not the same kind. Dr. Roy, How is the O.L doing and do you know if it is a male or female?

~Brian
 
Sounds to me as if they are picking up any decent sized reef flat stomatopod. This means that they will have a mix of G. graphurus or G. glabrous, G. viridis, G. chiragra and Pseudosquilla ciliata.

The O. l female is doing well.

Roy
 
Well it's kind of frustrating that they aren't IDing them properly & sending the same species consistently...but it's not all that easy to find mantis' reasonably priced online so I guess I'd tend to see this as a good development regardless. Grab Bag Mantis from Foster & Smith!
 
At least they know that they are stomatopods. Things have improved a lot in the past four or five years with respect to the recognition of this group. Positive identifications are not easy except for a few species and then this typically involves careful handling of the animal. Anyone should be able to look at a picture and recognize an Odontodactylus scyllarus, but to tell a Gonodactylaceus graphurus from a Gonodactylleus viridis is not easy.

Roy
 
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