matrix/siporax vs carbon dosing for sps

tboneman

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I've noticed quite a few sps tanks using ceramic media such as seachem matrix or siporax to control nitrate and phosphate as opposed to carbon dosing like vodka or vinegar. Is there a specific reason for this? Do sps thrive better with ceramic media?
 
Why not both? Carbon dosing just fuels bacterial colonization. With a good media to colonize (matrix / sip) carbon dosing would be even more effective.

Once I added a marine pure block I had to drop my vinegar dosing from 30ml to 5 just to keep my nitrates from staying completely bottomed out.
 
This matrix/block controls both phosphate and nitrate?


The bacteria that lives in it is the one that does the job. Mainly anaerobic bacteria (denitrification bacterias). They,are substrate, like rocks. They provide real state for Bacterias to grow.

Carbon dosing CAN NOT be compared. Carbon dosing is a method to feed the Bacterias.
 
The bacteria that lives in it is the one that does the job. Mainly anaerobic bacteria (denitrification bacterias). They,are substrate, like rocks. They provide real state for Bacterias to grow.

Carbon dosing CAN NOT be compared. Carbon dosing is a method to feed the Bacterias.

Ok, I apologizing for being unclear with my question. Here goes again.

Does the bacteria that is colonizing the marine pure block matrix lower both phosphate AND nitrate much the same way as the bacteria does when using bio pellets? Or does the bacteria in the marine pure block matrix function more like live rock and stop short of processing phosphate but does indeed perform nitrate removal?

Thank you for your help
 
Tbone-
I've noticed the same trend with the marine pure blocks. According to their website the amount of surface area in one block of 8x8x4 marine pure is enormous. I'm following ur thread to get more info. Thanks for bringing it up
 
Any more insight or comments as to why matrix/siporax seems to be gaining more popularity in controlling nitrate/phosphate than other methods?
 
Any more insight or comments as to why matrix/siporax seems to be gaining more popularity in controlling nitrate/phosphate than other methods?

Firstly because it is easy and there arent really any negatives to matrix/siporax; the bacterial population is self regulating/determined by nutrient levels. Its a set in place and forget kind of thing.

Secondly, perhaps because more and more reefers are moving away from the "need to have very low PO4 and NO3" idea. I dont utilise PO4 remover in my tank; and the tank maintains PO4 around 0.03ppm

With other methods there is the need to keep within limits (ie Alk) or in the case of Zeovit, very strict limits over a range of parameters or else STN results.

So overall, its a relatively maintenance and problem free, set and forget method which works.
 
Ok, I apologizing for being unclear with my question. Here goes again.

Does the bacteria that is colonizing the marine pure block matrix lower both phosphate AND nitrate much the same way as the bacteria does when using bio pellets? Or does the bacteria in the marine pure block matrix function more like live rock and stop short of processing phosphate but does indeed perform nitrate removal?

Thank you for your help

I have always been of the understanding that the porous medias like matrix provide the perfect environment for de nitrifying bacteria and therefor have a significant impact on nitrate.
I am not so sure what effect these medias- or the bacteria that colonize them- have on po4. Surely some reducing effect..
Granted, any system where food is being added is to a certain degree, 'Carbon dosing' the tank and will be feeding all the various forms of nutrient reducing bacteria..
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think las is correct in his assumption.
 
I have always been of the understanding that the porous medias like matrix provide the perfect environment for de nitrifying bacteria and therefor have a significant impact on nitrate.

I believe this to be the case as it is the same bacteria already living in your existing live rock and sandbed.
 
Firstly because it is easy and there arent really any negatives to matrix/siporax; the bacterial population is self regulating/determined by nutrient levels. Its a set in place and forget kind of thing.

Secondly, perhaps because more and more reefers are moving away from the "need to have very low PO4 and NO3" idea. I dont utilise PO4 remover in my tank; and the tank maintains PO4 around 0.03ppm

With other methods there is the need to keep within limits (ie Alk) or in the case of Zeovit, very strict limits over a range of parameters or else STN results.

So overall, its a relatively maintenance and problem free, set and forget method which works.

Great point made here.
 
So does anyone have a preference between these three in regards to effectiveness?

Marine pure?
Seachem matrix?
Siporax?
 
You should check out the matrix/siporax thread. It has lots of good info..
It has been established that siporax is the best. It has the highest porosity and therefore can harbor the greatest amount of bacteria per weight..
Seachem Matrix comes a close second and for the money, may be more economical.
The marine pure is apparently a distant competitor to these first two..
 
So does anyone have a preference between these three in regards to effectiveness?

Marine pure?
Seachem matrix?
Siporax?

Are they both made of the same material?

Different materials, I prefer Siporax because it's made of glass as opposed to ceramic on the others. I used Marine Pure and got high aluminum levels so switched over to Siporax since it's non-reactive glass. Also it's more porous with smaller pores so denitrifying bacteria can colonize. The pore size on the smaller Marine Pure balls/blocks are too big for denitrifying bacteria since water passes too far through/into them, essentially making them nitrate factories which is something else I had issues with before switching to Siporax.
 
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