micro/acan instant death

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11383627#post11383627 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vessxpress1
I have experienced the same problem and have lost nice frags, even after TMPCC dips. I have had two acan lord and two echinata frags dissolve away. The echinatas had been in the tank for 6 months and all of a sudden went down hill. One of the lord frags was 180 bucks. I looked at some of the tissue under a microscope and there were definately some type of tiny creatures that could not be seen by the naked eye, moving around in the dead tissue and eating it. I'm not the only one to have seen these things. Were they scavengers? Or were they killing it? I have no idea, but I'm sure they weren't helping it.

The best thing you can possibly do is try to keep your water as clean as possible and try not to damage the tissue at all, in order to prevent initial infections. Newly cut frags are at high risk IMO.

Besides this, I also had peppermint shrimp. I got rid of them and I'll never buy another one. They are extremely hard on coral and can be destructive if they sense food at all. I target fed one of my nices acans with shrimp one evening and in the morning, the whole center was torn out and it was white. Only on the polyp I fed. I'm positive the peppermint shrimp tore it up to get to the piece of shrimp. It's since grown back like new.

I also have a small RBTA that I fed. It ate the food. Food was gone. I came by later and found a peppermint shrimp with it's claws down the RBTA's throat ripping the food back out!! That was the final straw. They were even strong enough to rip food away from my serpent stars, right out of their mouths.

And the peppermint's can't be appeased either. You can give them a piece of food initially and it doesn't matter. If they find or sense more food, they will steal it. Which is why I won't keep them anymore.

Since getting rid of them, I haven't had any sudden polyp damage.

How do you reccomend getting them out? My two have popped every single bubble/vesicle on my ricordea. I need to get them out NOW!
 
I just finished dipping my two aussie frags so we will see how they make out in a few days.
What is funny is it is only my two aussies which happen to be the nicest ><
My indo and my 20 polyp micro colony are doing great still along with everything else.
As I said all my other corals are find so it just boggles my mind and frustrates me. One of the frags was starting to attach to the rock I had it in and stuff so I am just bumming now.
 
How do you reccomend getting them out? My two have popped every single bubble/vesicle on my ricordea. I need to get them out NOW! [/QUOTE]

I would think they would be fairly easy to catch, mine are all over my hand when I put my hand in the tank. They are soooo attracted to food, I think the inverted bottle trap baited with a lump of clam or something smelly would work. I think mine would walk into a net to get food.
 
Wrote this up in another thread but it may be helpful for you as well: micros are collected in similar conditions as the Aussies

IMO- this issue (Aussie acan sudden death) can be attributed to:

1) Low Magnesium
2) High lighting
3) High tank temp
4) Die off within the rock of sponges/worms etc.

Keep in mind the AU lords come out of water that is relatively shallow and nearshore. The water has been described by my divers as green/brown out conditions with less than 3 feet of visibility at times. This means the light penetration is very low; they recommend a 150w MH 20k over a 4X4' tank!

Also the water in these areas gets down to 16 degrees C in winter and is much cooler than we keep our reef tanks on a day to day basis (68-72 degrees).

Any time the magnesium levels dip to/below 1300 lps react adversely, the damage may not be readily apparent until the coral has struggled for weeks and finally collapses. Once the die-off starts it almost never stops; think of this as dieing from malnutrition.

On some largers rocks or those with a lot of substrate attached under the coral (for expamle we has a basketball sized micor colony that did this) there can be boring sponge that dies in transit and taints the rock. The toxins soon seep up to the underside of the colony and die off occurs.

Whatever the parameter(s) that are out of wack or the combination of several parameters being off the cure is always the same; frag it as soon as you notice the die off. We typically apply lugol's at full strength to the dieing/white area (while out of water) and then leave the entire piece to saok in some tank water for 5-10 minutes. Next the dieing area needs to be fragged; be sure to cut a good 1/4" or so in the healthy flesh to ensure you remove all of the affected tissue. Next; reapply a new batch of dilluted lugol's to the freshly cut area and allow to saok for 5 minutes and place back into the tank.

This is the only treatment we have had luck with and if you move quickly it works 90% of the time.

Good luck!
 
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