Microfood culture: phytoplanktons, Rotifers, ciliates, Artemia, and copepods

Has anyone seen a smaller home scale method of culturing mysis shrimp? I would really like to start adding these to my brood stocks diet, but cannot afford to add on to the house.
 
atticus:
reedmariculture is selling mysis shrimp and you can start them at home using the condiution i describe in last months Breedersnet (http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/sept2003/breeder.htm), the problem w/ using mysids as food is primarily, time, and costs. I say time becuz the reproductive cycle for these critters is much slower then we are used to (say in regards to rotifers, BBS etc), so patience is a virture here, espcially if you want a constant supply of juvieniles for a food source. Cost of course is always a factor and a fair number of adults can be more expensive than a rotifer starter pack, lets say. However reeds product is cost effective (as you do get alot of adult mysids) and is prolly a very good producxt based on their other items
frank
 
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I think you need to add all kinds of natural plankton to have a successful tank. I know most people do not live near a beach but I just came back from a muddy beach In New York to collect some food at low tide. Here the tide goes down about 8' and the beach is full of rocks. Under the rocks are loaded with plankton, amphipods, copepods, shrimp, worms and all sorts of food. I swirl these rocks in a bucket then get rid of most of the mud and dump the entire thing (except for the crabs) in my reef. I have been doing this as long as I have a reef and I never had any problems, disease or otherwise. I think this stuff should be collected and sold. It's not like it is endangered or anything.
 
I think you need to add all kinds of natural plankton to have a successful tank. I know most people do not live near a beach but I just came back from a muddy beach In New York to collect some food at low tide. Here the tide goes down about 8' and the beach is full of rocks. Under the rocks are loaded with plankton, amphipods, copepods, shrimp, worms and all sorts of food. I swirl these rocks in a bucket then get rid of most of the mud and dump the entire thing (except for the crabs) in my reef. I have been doing this as long as I have a reef and I never had any problems, disease or otherwise. I think this stuff should be collected and sold. It's not like it is endangered or anything.
 
i have two breeding pairs of clowns and would like to try to raise them. i have not been having much success. i now have rotifers and phyto, but i still have very little success. i have only one baby clarkii clown left. i am using 10 gallon tanks with the water from the breeder tank. changing 50 % weekly plus small changes. the water seems fine, but the babies keep dying. if anyone has ideas let me know please buick48@juno.com
 
buick48 said:
i have two breeding pairs of clowns and would like to try to raise them. i have not been having much success. i now have rotifers and phyto, but i still have very little success. i have only one baby clarkii clown left. i am using 10 gallon tanks with the water from the breeder tank. changing 50 % weekly plus small changes. the water seems fine, but the babies keep dying. if anyone has ideas let me know please buick48@juno.com
If you want to start your own thread and give us a bit more information we will be able to better help you. We will need to know age of fry at die off, water parameters, signs and symptoms and anything else you find different than what you have researched already.
 
Dr. Marini,

A quick question. After growing several bottles of phytoplankton from DT's. Will it be possible for me to store these in the fridge and expect the same storage period as the DT's??

If not. How long might I expect to keep it refrigerated.

Thanks,

Jeff
 
AquaNight said:
Dr. Marini,

A quick question. After growing several bottles of phytoplankton from DT's. Will it be possible for me to store these in the fridge and expect the same storage period as the DT's??

If not. How long might I expect to keep it refrigerated.

Thanks,

Jeff

It is now impossible to use DT's as a starter culture as they have mixed phyto strains. As far as storage even if you could grow it you will not be able to concentrate it enough or strip it enough to get the self life DT's claims.
 
I used DT as a starter and it seems to have grown, in fact I split it for the third time last night. I have no way of knowing what species of the three grew, but grow it did. I also started a culture with a disc from Florida (hedging my bet :) )
 
Becuz DT is now a 3 phytoplankton mix (it used to be a monoculture), it will be difficult to culture all three phytos.
However, if you use a standard culture mix, you will preferentially grow out nanno (N occultus). While its not a bad thing, its actually one of the better and easier to grow phytos. The reason DTs is now a mix is becuz its contains 3 varied phytos all have different HUFA profiles and together they make the mix much higher in nutritional value
 
Atticus said:
It is now impossible to use DT's as a starter culture as they have mixed phyto strains. As far as storage even if you could grow it you will not be able to concentrate it enough or strip it enough to get the self life DT's claims.


Great, thanks for the info. I have 3 bottles that today will be finished "cooking" I'll mark and put them in the fridge and see how long before they foul.

I'll post the results.

Thanks again.

Jeff
 
AquaNight said:
Great, thanks for the info. I have 3 bottles that today will be finished "cooking" I'll mark and put them in the fridge and see how long before they foul.

I'll post the results.

Thanks again.

Jeff

IMO it doesn't really matter how long it takes for them to foul because you truely do not know what you have grown. This method may be ok for reef tank additions, but I need to know what I am feeding my rotifers for my baby clowns and bangaii so I can ensure they are getting the proper levels of nutrients.
As far as shelf life goes nanno is useless way before it dies. As it sits in storage it will slowly use its stored nutrients to maintain its own life thus leaving an empty cell with little or no nutrient value. With homegrown phyto in a clear refridgerated container you should use it up within 2-3 weeks. It is also necissary to shake the bottles at least once every couple days to resuspend the cells.
 
Great info thanks. 2-3 weeks would suit me fine. I only use it to feed the reef about a cup a day for now. That may increase as today was the 1st day I fed what I had grown.

Jeff
 
If you want to continue to do this you should really restart your batch with fresh DT's everytime or you will have a single strain culture as the strongest strain will override the rest in continuous batches.
 
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