Mixed maroon pair!

[mark97r6]

Hey guys,
I have acquired this pair of maroons from a guy closing down his tank.
my system isnt running yet, but due to there age/size i thought they were worth getting.

The female is about 5.1/2"s and the male probebly 3"ish. Though i have very limited tank space for breeding pairs, so i can only house 1 pair of maroons.

The reason for the second thoughts is that the female is a WSM and the male a GSM. What offspring will these produce?
I am not that bothered which colour they will produce as long as they will produce good looking clowns. I dont have the room anyway to hold GS's untill they colour up.. So as im typeing i am wondering what all the fuss is about... Though i would still like to know what colour to expect of the offspring.

Thanks for the help.
Mark

 

[David M]

That question just came up recently and to everyones surprise it seems that NOone here knows what a gsm/wsm cross might produce We are waiting for you to raise them so we can all know

 

[mark97r6]

:eek2: :eek2:

You having me on! How can this not have happened??
Man, that changes things a little... And i thought that was a daft question!
Will have to leave them together now then.

Cheers mate
Mark

 

[donnyt]

White and yellow

White and yellow

Interestingly it sounded like you were talking about my pair of Maroons, she is about 5.5 inches and white and he is about 2.5 inches and yellow striped. Their first nest hatched on Saturday the 22nd and was probably about 500 strong. Surprisingly I didn't lose very many, especially since it was their first batch for me. I've been told that there will probably be some white and some yellow offspring but like everyone here I am surprised that there really isn't any info on it. I will try to keep everyone posted as to what comes out of it. This isn't a hobby it is an addiction!

 

[stykthyn]

to my knowledge they will produce white stripe offspring. Wilkerson says in her book that the white is the dominant trait

 

[David M]

to my knowledge they will produce white stripe offspring. Wilkerson says in her book that the white is the dominant trait

I skimmed thru the book when this came up last week & couldn't find that, where did you see it? It does make sense since she reports that the yellow stripe is a regional color variation with limited distribution.

 

[FuEl]

Keep me posted as well. Want to know if it will be worthwhile raising the fry. Happen to have a mixed pair as well. :rollface: Not sure about fish but for reptiles and frogs if you breed different colour variants of adults you usually end up with something in between. Perhaps cream yellow?

 

[David M]

Parakeets have been bred to virtually every color in the rainbow. If you put a couple dozen of assorted colors into a huge flight and let them freely interbreed for several generations you will eventually get all green birds. That is the natural color and the dominant trait. I'm guessing maroons are more or less the same. The more I think about it my bet is the gsm/wsm cross will result in white stripes every time. It would be interesting to know for sure though

 

[J-Ross]

This is an interesting topic, here is my two cents..

Not that I am an expert on genetics, but as I used to raise cockatiels, I thought I would add this.. If the yellow stripe is a color mutation of the white stripe, then the question would be, is it sex linked, or recessive.

With cockatiels though, there are also dominant mutations, which if you had only one contributing parent, the offspring would be a sort of mix. I believe an example would be Dominant silvers, one Dominant gene would make the babies a bit lighter gray, two would make it even lighter, or silver. Single Factor Dominant, or Double Factor Dominant, respectively

If it is sex linked, then the one with the XY, (i say 'the one with' because birds are opposite in that the females have the XY) cannot be split to a sex linked gene, you either show the mutation, or you don't. And i believe we all understand that a recessive would require that they have recieved the mutation from both parents. If only one recessive gene is present, then it doesn't show, and so we say they are split to the mutation.

And not to confuse the subject more, but recessives can also be dominant over other recessives. Another example, white face, and pastel face cockatiels, pastel is dominant over white face, but is still a recessive gene. One pastel gene, and one white face gene, would give you a pastel tiel.

It has been a while since I did breed tiels, and again, I don't claim to be an expert, but I thought I would throw this in for you guys to ponder. And I'll definately want to see how this turns out, good luck with it.

--Jason

 

[Luis A M]

GSM are found in Sumatra.Besides the colour of the bands,they differ in other aspects:
The bands are broad.
They are frequently naturally misbarred.
Opposite to WSM,they have a mild temperament and are easy to pair off,IME.
So I think that warrants a different taxonomic status (species,subspecies),not just a colour variant.

 

[mark97r6]

Great comments guys thanks for that.
Luis, funny you should comment on GSM often being misbarred as mine is. Also the maroon/red portion of the fishh seems to vary on the WSM to GSM that i have seen. Perhaps you are on to something there. maybe they should be a different subspecies their is probebly as much difference between the two marroons as there is between most subspecies of skunk clowns, and definetly than between percs and oc's.

Very interesting Jason, i dont see how the yellow striping can be a sex linked gene, as both sexes show it. I didnt know the XY chromosomes were the opposite way around on birds! Thats very interesting!!

Mark