Mixed Reef Tank Filtration System

scolarol

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I am starting up a new 160 gallon mixed (fish, SPS, LPS, softie) aquarium. I've attached an image of the filtration system I plan to build/use for it. To me this isn't overly complicated, but I'm open to other opinions. I think this is the right way to go, but don't have much experience with this type of setup so any input would be appreciated.

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No point in going with 2 skimmers, pick just one that is sized for your tank and have the output of the bio pellet reactor close to the input of the skimmer.

For the fuge skip the under gravel filter and sand just keep the macro algae in there, much easier to clean.

Make sure to use a ato (tunze has a great one), heater controller (i like the ranco), and i would suggest 2 reactors, one for gfo and one for carbon
 
very odd setup....it is advanced and outdated at the same time. i have not seen a plenuim used with bio-pellets. mostly they were used long ago in sumpless systems and did a great job, however with very small bioloads. i might look at a more modern method?
 
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No point in going with 2 skimmers, pick just one that is sized for your tank and have the output of the bio pellet reactor close to the input of the skimmer.

For the fuge skip the under gravel filter and sand just keep the macro algae in there, much easier to clean.

Make sure to use a ato (tunze has a great one), heater controller (i like the ranco), and i would suggest 2 reactors, one for gfo and one for carbon

Thank you for the input and the welcome...
I wasn't putting any sand in the refugium, I planned to use http://www.caribsea.com/pages_caribsea/page_product_rubble_zone.html, while not as easy as having nothing but macro algae it shouldn't be too bad as far as cleaning goes for as often as it would need to be done in there.

ATO is a definite for me... I was leaving a couple of outputs from my main return pump manifold for things like GFO or Carbon reactors etc... so that is about what I was thinking. And the heater and controller is already planned.

So aside from the second skimmer it looks like this should be a pretty effective filter system.

I'll probably also add a dosing system once I start adding corals to replace calcium, alkalinity, and trace elements.

Again, thank you for the input I really appreciate it.
 
Agree no need for two protein skimmers. Also no need to plumb protein skimmer output into the return pump input. Just back into the sump somewhere rear the return pump will be more than adequate.

Another alternative is to run the return pump output through an external skimmer and have the skimmer discharge directly into the tank. This does require the outlet of the skimmer to be higher than the tank though and will not look pretty unless you have your equipment in an another room. I used this method for many years when I used an Aquamedic 5000 skimmer that was very tall.

Steve
 
very odd setup....it is advanced and outdated at the same time. i have not seen a plenum used with bio-pellets. mostly they were used long ago in sumpless systems and did a great job, however with very small bioloads. i might look at a more modern method?

You took the words right out of my mouth! Exactly.
 
Agree no need for two protein skimmers. Also no need to plumb protein skimmer output into the return pump input. Just back into the sump somewhere rear the return pump will be more than adequate.

Another alternative is to run the return pump output through an external skimmer and have the skimmer discharge directly into the tank. This does require the outlet of the skimmer to be higher than the tank though and will not look pretty unless you have your equipment in an another room. I used this method for many years when I used an Aquamedic 5000 skimmer that was very tall.

Steve

In a chain of articles communicating that skimmers are essential and high value pieces of filtration equipment, to.... bio pellet reactors are great carbon source nitrate reducers, to... in order for bio pellet reactors to be effective they should feed into/through a protein skimmer... I came to this design.

The quandary I have from this (and other) feedback is not to have 2 skimmers. However in a lot of blogs/articles they state that the most effective way to use a bio pellet reactor to reduce nitrates and not have a jump in phosphates is to feed the output directly into a skimmer. (one such article from the Marine Depot blog http://blog.marinedepot.com/2014/05/biopellets-beginners-guide.html) But since I have such a large tank, and even with the good sized reactor I'd use, the limiting factor in this is that the reactor has a pretty low flow rate. So the appropriate skimmer would be severely undersized for my tank. Hence the +1 sized skimmer in the front of the system, and the second, just for the bio pellet reactor output at the end.

So, I guess my main question is what is wrong with 2 skimmers? If it is just a matter of potentially unnecessary equipment then that's one thing... but if the second skimmer could negatively impact the filtration in some way, that would be another and I'd like to know if that is the case.

To me the highest priority is high quality stable marine environment. But I would like to balance that with the fewest points of failure and ease of maintenance as I can. I guess at the end of the day I'll live with a little higher maintenance and up-front cost for the quality of the habitat.

And on a side note... the reason I was putting the return from the second skimmer into a 'T' on the return pump is because I am drawing the feed water to the reactor/skimmer from the same place/section I'm returning it. The 'T' seemed like a good way to limit any recirculation of returned water back into the feed causing a loop of sorts.
 
You may wish to consider a filter sock filtration system or at least build your sump so that you have room to add one in the future if you decide to.

Also your overflow drain should go to about 1" or less below the water level.

You may also want to add a bubble trap on the outlet of your skimmer chamber to prevent micro bubbles in your display.

Lastly there are 2 places to put your refugium, either inbetween the skimmer and return section or on the far end of your sump and your return pump outlet feeds some flow into the refugium and it flows over a baffle and into your return section. The advantage of this is that you can customize the flow into your refugium so you can have some more sensitive pods in there while also putting as much flow through your regular sump as you want. If you went for 10x turnover in the sump, 1600 gph is a lot to put through the refugium.
 
Is that UGF supposed to be a UGF or reversed UGF? If not reversed I agree skip it. If reversed I say 100% go for it.
 
2 skimmers isn't a bad thing. I ran 2 on my 325g. The first skimmer pulled out darker drier junk, the other i ran more wet. And yes, it pulled out plenty of junk as well. Both skimmers were reef octopus old 300s.
I wouldn't use the plenumn. Use biopellets as stated above. Way easier to control nitrate and pO4 plus not as risky for old tank syndrome down the road. You can always remove a reactor way easier than plenum.
As far as the output going into the skimmer, not necessarily needed. Check the manufacturer recommenations
 
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