Monti Nudis....couple of Q's

Serioussnaps

Serioussnaps

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I picked up a monti frag the other day....many of you have already seen the pics of it....it was a cheap little frag as i had no plans to even put any montis in this new set up..all acros..



Well...I went against the plan and got burnt for it. Last night I went looking through the tank with a flashlight as I do occassionally, particularly when i add new livestock...and found a bunch of white fuzzies on the underside of this monti. I pulled the off with a tweezer but boy do they smear.....so many i just pulled it out and put it in a SW bucket and just brushed em off with the toothbrush.

this was probably a abad idea considering eggs popping and all but i did it anyways...there were about a hundred of them...some big and fuzzy some really small creepy crawling around in the bucket...i am going to try to feed them cyclopeeze and see if they can be sustained without monti's to get an idea if they really do die off if you pull all monti's

The monti was brownish green when i got it 4 days ago and it has already colored up despite the warpath on the underside of the nudis that is so visible....within a few days they were making it to the top to the polyps and goodbye monti. I am surprised to see it color up despite the nudi's.

Another thing this was a knowing sell of monti nudis by my LFS....i only know about Acros and have never kept montis but gave this one a whirl cuz it was cheap and i was bored. It was sitting in a separate tank from the acro i bought the same day....out of the show lagoon tank where the nice peices are....he undoubtedly knew it had nudis especially the way he said good luck when i walked out with it...****ing bastard.


So I am thinking about just tossing it in the trash because it was so cheap...rather than dealing with any treatment.

How long would it take for my tank being fallow of monti's to be 100% sure there arent any in the future?

I am interested in the danae monti's but down the road...this is why I ask.


Anyone tried TMPCC on monti's? I have some and have dipped my new acro and luckily no redbugs or AEFW's on him or me and that LFS would have a bone to pick.

I am going to try to sustain the nudi's without any montis as i have them in a bucket....also i am going to pull some out and see if TMPCC kills them!!!

I will post updates on these happenings. Let me know how long it takes to be nudi free if you just pull all monti's out!!!
 
Please treat it before dumping it. To be safe I would wait 2 weeks before adding any other montis. If u do have they should starve to death by then.
 
Are there not any other food sources in the aquarium for them...i would have to think so.....

I am not willing to qt this peice...not worth it to me....ill give it a TMPCC dip and screen it for nudis daily...but thats it...i am not going crazy to get rid of them on a 15 dollar frag which was just to tinker with as this tank is new
 
if that is the only monti that you have, I wouldn't worry about it. You could check it twice a week and just get rid of any adults and you will eventually be fine.
 
I wanted to get a M. Danae in the next couple of months....this frag was a kind of testing the waters as I have just got done moving the tank and then making it BB.

I used 1ml to 200ml of Tropic Marin Pro Coral Cure on the ones that i pulled out and left in a tupperware overnight...all the little ones croaked. There are still a few big boys haning on, yet writhing in pain.

I am going dip the monti and put back in and visually inspect over the course of a week. If they persist I am going to trash him...im gonna give it a shot but I wont qt this guy.
 
if you baste them, they will fall off.

normally this battle plan wouldn't work, but with only one monti in the tank you can beat them easily.

and afaik, these only eat monti's, and only some species, ime; they don't bother digi's, or haven't any of mine.
 
Serioussnaps

Keep treating with TMPCC it works. I bought a real nice cap. I saw alittle damge on the underside and went againest my better judgemnet. Any ways I delt with it for about 2 mos. doing dips every other night. I have other caps that got infested also. Never lost a Monti and 8 mos later no signs of them. I added a sixline wrass that I think helped finish them off.
 
I coat the whole underside, and rock of the coral it's attached to in superglue, as they like to lay there eggs below the monti
 
I have dealt with these twice in my tank they will attack digis and even elkhorn as it is monti family. Did not learn after the fist time to dip or QT before adding new coral ,lesson learned, all corals are dipped then QT two weeks before they go in my tank.
This is what I did to rid them every two days removed all montis using Seachem coral dip in a bucket, one at a time put monti in bucket with reef dip let soak for 2-3 minutes, as the dip seems to stun them and also force them out of hiding , used a turkey baster and blow off the adults. Rinse in bucket of tank water before returning to tank. Took me about 2 weeks to rid them from my tank, but all are gone now. Also added a green coris wrasse , had one before that would eat them , don't know if this one is but I have none in my tank now.
 
FYI they also are known to consume the zooxanthellae of various Anacropora species. They definitely will go after M. digitata, I think that they prefer the caps because of the crevices that the growth form produces. They crevices provides shelter and protection from predators whereas they would be pretty exposed with most digitata colonies.
 
I'd agree to that ... they don't seem to love being exposed [like on a digitata] - though on my elkhorn and confusa-types were toast.

But that could just be variety-based ... seems like the lower polyp density Montiporids seem to be hassled the most. IMO, most of those are non-digitata - though not all. Just my experience.

If your only Monti, I'd not over-medicate [full inspection of the whole piece, off any mount, with basting/toothbrushing IMO worked best] as I've found Montipora pretty sensitive to dips, esp if stressed, new, etc.

Beyond select sources, I've been pretty vigilant in using my separate, simple system for all incoming coral. I haven't added any mount or rock with corals to even that tank in over a year - you can do a lot with dremel ... cut right off :)

A second system need not be fancy, I've got a 60g Agrimaster tub, 175w 10k bulb, heater, a couple of powerheads w/ some rock in my basement system - export is waterchanges [no skimmer] + low fish load = lower nutrient load = little work, IME. Stable as heck, ready for an impulse buy :lmao:
 
OK heres my input, i have them too - cleaning and inspecting the lose montis is not a prob but i have 5 very encrusted montis that can't be removed from a huge rock. i inspect several times a day and suck out any i find and then blast them with a power head after, but just when i thought i was winning, tonight i pulled out 5 more. they definitly prefer my yellow/green plate but do occassionally find them on others including the digis, confusa, peltiformis, danae (?), and an orange cap. sea chems reef dip - i assume is basically iodine - does seem to upset them when i dip my frags in it but it doesn't kill them. i'm watching one of them sitting in a bath now for about 15min + without death. tonight i am doing a dip of a very large rock in a garbage can and will blast it with a power head after. they suck! QT everything goes without saying but i did QT the monti i believe to be the original host for 2 weeks but didn't discover the prob until 2 months after that! QT without a solution/medication does nothing if they are not noticed and the eggs live to get into your tank.
 
the toothbrush method is awesome...havent seen them since...but still watching....i dont plan on adding any montis for a while so it shouldnt be too much of a deal
 
I was doing the Tooth Brush method and thought I had them under control. Then went to a recent local club meeting and a member told me about Tropic Marine Pro Coral Cure.. I took all my monti out and soaked them for 20 minutes and couldn't believe how many Nudi'd were on my Monti's.. I mean they kept coming out of very small crevices in the corals...

Go buy the TMPCC and soak em.. It works!
 
has anyone done a life cycle test on these things? does anyone know how long it is from egg to egg laying adult?? this would help determin the frequency of dips. also has anyone tried very short dips in fresh water with the tmpcc or is salt water the better choice?
 
hmm...Tropic Marine Pro Coral never heard or tried that, would be intrested, can you link me to it? I can't seem to find it.
 
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