if so, randy that makes your a role model lol
There could be worse things in life.
There could be worse things in life.
Mr Controversary is back at it :D Answer me This
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BeanAnimal
Premium Member
kydsexy...
It would be one thing if you were honestly trying to get anwers to hard questions. It would be one thing if you were just having fun with those that you respected. Neither appears to be the case. You have started pretty much the same debate in your club forum.
Here is what the rest of us see:
We see an illinformed smart-alec that is trying to paint himself as a profoundly intelligent and informed expert that asks hard to answer questions posed in a provacative manner. You have insulted Randy, myself and others and are proving to be nothing more than a troll. spackling the page with smily faces does not do much to change the tone or flavor of your comments.
A child can take an informed answer and twist it into unimplied assumptions and rhetorical questions. As silly as your questions (commentary) are, they have been answered. Not only have they been answered, but they were answered in a rather polite manner by an expert that you have attempted to insult.
It would appear that you are trying to live up to the "Mr Controversy" monikor that you have chosen for yourself, but are falling short of coming up with a legitimate and arguable controversy. This whole thread is laughable.
It would be one thing if you were honestly trying to get anwers to hard questions. It would be one thing if you were just having fun with those that you respected. Neither appears to be the case. You have started pretty much the same debate in your club forum.
Here is what the rest of us see:
We see an illinformed smart-alec that is trying to paint himself as a profoundly intelligent and informed expert that asks hard to answer questions posed in a provacative manner. You have insulted Randy, myself and others and are proving to be nothing more than a troll. spackling the page with smily faces does not do much to change the tone or flavor of your comments.
A child can take an informed answer and twist it into unimplied assumptions and rhetorical questions. As silly as your questions (commentary) are, they have been answered. Not only have they been answered, but they were answered in a rather polite manner by an expert that you have attempted to insult.
It would appear that you are trying to live up to the "Mr Controversy" monikor that you have chosen for yourself, but are falling short of coming up with a legitimate and arguable controversy. This whole thread is laughable.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11603652#post11603652 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kydsexy
Yup, like I said in my response prior to this post, RK2 makes such a system.
[/i] Why the live rock instead of HOB filters to remove waste? And since we have the LR, is it safe to say that we are not using sufficient LR to manage the waste? In using a protein skimmer, do you (anybody using a skimmer) believe that the skimmate being removed is beneficial? I read a thread a little earlier about recycling the skimmate, why remove it in the first place?
^^^those are the questionsis everyone using skimmers for the same reasons as randy (if so, randy that makes your a role model lol)
example: BeanAnimal looks up to you
kydesy,
If you can come up with an efficient and reliable freshwater skimmer, then you will be able to make money. A FW tank will not survicve without frequent water changes and mechanical filtration.
can SW tanks suffice without frequent water changes and mechanical filtration?! that point sucksif you agree with Randy then you need frequent water changes and mechanical filtration!
stop just agreeing with Randy and Prove your own point
"I think Randy Holmes-Farley put it well. SW fish live in non polluted water, large oceans that are very pure. FW fish have survived in smaller lakes, ponds, ect that have more risk of pollution. I would think they have developed a bigger immunity. FW fish survive not needing skimmer clean water"
are you saying the ocean isn't polluted? are you saying salmonids aren't sensitive?
GreshamH, why make a post, just to agree with Randy lol. I get his point of view. I want others. I highly doubt that anybody other than Randy thought of his POV
Why title a thread the way you did? Did you honestely think doing so will lead to people wanting to give you any complete answer? Does this approach work with the kids you council? Being rude gets you no points here.
I made my post to refer to RK2's commercial freshwater system. I need not give any reasons to you as it's obvious what ever is said to you doesn't really matter to you unless it fits into your box
I never used a skimmer on any FW system, commercial or hobby level. Why, they don't work unless there is an extremelly heavy bioload. All systems I have designed and used are lower nutrient systems. If I needed to increase the DO while reduce nutrients, like for 1/2 million dollar Koi, I would throw a skimmer on. If FW skimmers could be used on a larger scale, RK2/EuroReef/Coralife/Etc would all have jumped on that ship years ago. I don't buy the conspiracy tag in this case. I work in the aquaculture industry and have major contact with both FW and marine faclities. Many of the FW facilities I have contact with don't use skimmers. If they where effective, they would.
I beg you to learn how to use the quote coding, it's quite simple and goes a long way to make posts readable
That's an excellent point, especially considering how large the FW side is compared to the SW side.
I have a koi pond and I tried a skimmer on it once and got nothing at all. Some people who own koi that cost hundreds/thousands of dollars each will buy anything that someone tells them to if they think it will help keep their prizes clean and happy.
In Japan, the best koi spend limited time in display ponds and most of their lives in mud ponds.
FunkieReefJunkie
Member
Skimmers are cool. They make bubbles. And every time one pops some kids pet hamster dies. When they reach heaven this is the first song they hear.
http://www.ziplo.com/bubbles.html
Did I say skimmers are cool?:lmao:
http://www.ziplo.com/bubbles.html
Did I say skimmers are cool?:lmao:
geoxman
Premium Member
I think you may have a little combative in the thread title but non the less you have some valid points
"do you (anybody using a skimmer) believe that the skimmate being removed is beneficial"
I believe that it is and I quit skimming a while back. The article the Ron posted gave some good examples of good things that are skimmed.
In my system have a fairly low bio load and use other methods to reduce nitrates and phosphates.
Eric Borneman did a study on the MD forums that you might also want to read. good luck
"do you (anybody using a skimmer) believe that the skimmate being removed is beneficial"
I believe that it is and I quit skimming a while back. The article the Ron posted gave some good examples of good things that are skimmed.
In my system have a fairly low bio load and use other methods to reduce nitrates and phosphates.
Eric Borneman did a study on the MD forums that you might also want to read. good luck
haha HBTank, shut up and answer the question or please don't post. i'm up to date on my readings, the question isn't who, what, when, or where, how it's why
and i want it to be based on individual reasons, not eric borneman's paper, as i'm sure not everyone has read it unless everyone has read the paper
and then my question was why do YOU THINK it isn't used in freshwater systems seriously, when people read this, how many went straight to google? lol. it's just a question for people to think about. if anyone here has an outdoor pond, skimmers are used. my question was why not on a large scale
anymore answers to "why do YOU use a skimmer?"
it's why and i want it to be based on individual reasons, not eric borneman's paper, as i'm sure not everyone has read it
unless everyone has read the paper and then my question was why do YOU THINK it isn't used in freshwater systems
seriously, when people read this, how many went straight to google? lol. it's just a question for people to think about. if anyone here has an outdoor pond, skimmers are used. my question was why not on a large scale anymore answers to "why do YOU use a skimmer?"
haha HBTank, shut up and answer the question or please don't post.
If you cannot learn to treat others with respect, I will predict that your days as a participating member of Reef Central will be limited.
the question isn't who, what, when, or where, how it's why
and i want it to be based on individual reasons, not eric borneman's paper, as i'm sure not everyone has read it unless everyone has read the paper
Sure, it wouldn't be a good idea at all to actually bring science to the discussion.
Why, you might ask?
Because people who are only interested in arguing for arguments sake will never have to stop. Science can prove many things about skimming, as I pointed out after your first flurry of "questions". But if all you want is for people to post why they skim so you can try to prove them wrong with nonscience commentary, then you can continue that forever.
I'll submit that if you truly want the answer to why people with fresh water systems are not as inclined to skim, I suggest you go to a freshwater forum and ask them. We've told you the science behind why it doesn't work as well and may not be as necessary. Most of us cannot speak for the fresh water folks feelings about skimmers, and this isn't the place for it anyway.
If you cannot learn to treat others with respect, I will predict that your days as a participating member of Reef Central will be limited.
the question isn't who, what, when, or where, how it's why
and i want it to be based on individual reasons, not eric borneman's paper, as i'm sure not everyone has read it unless everyone has read the paper
Sure, it wouldn't be a good idea at all to actually bring science to the discussion.
Why, you might ask?
Because people who are only interested in arguing for arguments sake will never have to stop. Science can prove many things about skimming, as I pointed out after your first flurry of "questions". But if all you want is for people to post why they skim so you can try to prove them wrong with nonscience commentary, then you can continue that forever.
I'll submit that if you truly want the answer to why people with fresh water systems are not as inclined to skim, I suggest you go to a freshwater forum and ask them. We've told you the science behind why it doesn't work as well and may not be as necessary. Most of us cannot speak for the fresh water folks feelings about skimmers, and this isn't the place for it anyway.
geoxman
Premium Member
I gave you my reason as to why I quit, I think too many good things are taken out. I also stated that I use other methods for nutrient export.
It is not a paper.
Your points were valid and could have been discussed, but I do not think it will happen in this thread, because of your attitude. good luck
Whalehead9
New member
I skim because when I stop skimming all of my expensive sps turn brown and die! That is as scientific as I can get.
You would do well to take Randy's advice. It will serve you well in life, not just on RC. It is quite possible to have friendly and respectful debates and generate good discussion. However, aggressive in your face disrespectful type discourse only serves to annoy people and insure that you don't really don't get listened too.
BTW I get cranky when I have step into a thread as a moderator, and it's never a good idea to make someone with the ban button cranky
lol petty threats from a forum i have incredible patience and i'm insanely polite ask anyone who's met me. i don't care about the responses to what i said, i starting a thread asking a question. why bother posting 'kydsexy, you really should have posted this thread in the beginners forum......" instead of just answering the question
this question wasn't for me, but friends of mine who read RC and are not members. my attitude was just great, and any comments not pertaining to the forum shouldn't be posted. feel free to delete his account as i will not be using it anymore take care
i have incredible patience and i'm insanely polite ask anyone who's met me. i don't care about the responses to what i said, i starting a thread asking a question. why bother posting 'kydsexy, you really should have posted this thread in the beginners forum......" instead of just answering the question this question wasn't for me, but friends of mine who read RC and are not members. my attitude was just great, and any comments not pertaining to the forum shouldn't be posted. feel free to delete his account as i will not be using it anymore
take care
Hey, kyd, I just noticed your sig line:
"enough to get a 100 on any quiz you give me"
I've got a couple of challenges that you might consider worthy:
Reef Chemistry Quiz 2007
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-01/rhf/index.php
Reef Chemistry Quiz 2006
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-01/rhf/index.php
"enough to get a 100 on any quiz you give me"
I've got a couple of challenges that you might consider worthy:
Reef Chemistry Quiz 2007
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-01/rhf/index.php
Reef Chemistry Quiz 2006
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-01/rhf/index.php
Day-um, that IS a hard quiz. Good thing I was a marketing major!
FWIW, few of the professional chemists around here got everything right.
FWIW, few of the professional chemists around here got everything right.
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