You are welcome.
And I hope you continue posting here.
And I hope you continue posting here.
My 300 gallon turf scrubber system
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Nathan.Titulaer
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Very nice tank, I like to see larger setups running on scrubbers.
Oh I will. The good or the bad will be posted. I can't wait to see how this tests in a year or more.
Yes about 3 weeks ago and both were undetectable. The place I have it tested doesn't use a ultralow phosphate test kit though. But I am not seeing any hair or cyano so I think its good.The only thing I have had trouble with is magnesium due to the salt mix I used to setup. It is about 890 or so. I am working on that to raise it to 1200 or better. Alk is 9.0 and calcium is 420. I will have it tested again here soon.
I have ran 3 several scrubber systems for over 10 years, but each with a skimmer. I found phosphate buildup over time, especially with a large bio load. I don't know if Morgan's systems are as loaded as many of us reef fanatics. I would recommend a good phosphate test kit. Good luck.
Hello. What levels would you reach? Is it easily solved with phosphate media like Rowaphos? What kind of algae were you growing? Thanks for the info.
CreativeGuy
Creature Morpheus ...
Nice to see your system n-kleine. Working on getting mine up and running.
The guys at Inland Aquatics are GREAT and EXTREMELY helpful (appreciate Morgan and Eric going well beyond what anyone could expect). I spent a couple days there last week seeing their facility and the systems with the turf scrubbers in long term applications performing with excellent results and no water changes being required either. The science and logic are sound. As I am in the process of building an hybrid filtration system for a multiple tank system (two larger tanks 525 and 330g SPS and frag tank of 135g and bank of 4 cubes @50g each). I was very impressed with their operation and recommend anyone that has the opportunity too visit, do so. I drove over 800 miles rouund trip and it was worth the drive. I did purchased one of Inland Aquatics large commercial Tuff Scrubbers (dump type at 930 square inches) and incorporating into the hybrid system as a primary component. It is not the only component as redundancy for protection is important. I consider it the most important of all the filtration in my system.
There are also custom 4-beckett skimmer 12" diam x 60" chamber, moving bio-filter 12" diam x 48" both made by Bashsea of Michigan, large (100" x 51" x 15") multi-chamber refugium with 4 different algae, and working on the live rock sumps to be about 600g and a Deep Sand Bed about 14" deep (1 cubic yard) and 200g of water. Still I would place the highest value for return and performance on the ATS unit.
The guys at Inland Aquatics are GREAT and EXTREMELY helpful (appreciate Morgan and Eric going well beyond what anyone could expect). I spent a couple days there last week seeing their facility and the systems with the turf scrubbers in long term applications performing with excellent results and no water changes being required either. The science and logic are sound. As I am in the process of building an hybrid filtration system for a multiple tank system (two larger tanks 525 and 330g SPS and frag tank of 135g and bank of 4 cubes @50g each). I was very impressed with their operation and recommend anyone that has the opportunity too visit, do so. I drove over 800 miles rouund trip and it was worth the drive. I did purchased one of Inland Aquatics large commercial Tuff Scrubbers (dump type at 930 square inches) and incorporating into the hybrid system as a primary component. It is not the only component as redundancy for protection is important. I consider it the most important of all the filtration in my system.
There are also custom 4-beckett skimmer 12" diam x 60" chamber, moving bio-filter 12" diam x 48" both made by Bashsea of Michigan, large (100" x 51" x 15") multi-chamber refugium with 4 different algae, and working on the live rock sumps to be about 600g and a Deep Sand Bed about 14" deep (1 cubic yard) and 200g of water. Still I would place the highest value for return and performance on the ATS unit.
Nice to meet you!!! I practically live at Inland. Their facility is why I got into this hobby. I tried the whole skimmer with the scrubber and found the skimmer took out what the scrubber needed to function correctly. I began to see algae growth in the display. I shut it down and everything was back to normal. This has been the case on several scrubber systems that I have seen. Also the skimmer takes out all of the expensive additives put into the tank. My screen is larger than the 250 shuttle. It is actually set for more volume but that's ok I will feed more. Right now I only scrape the screen once a week and I feed 3 times a day.
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Did you purchase a seed screen?
In 1997 I started with a 120 system designed by John Walsh, similar to inland aquatics, but included a small skimmer. The screen was preseeded with mix of turf algae. Larger tanks were similarly designed.
CreativeGuy
Creature Morpheus ...
I did purchase the seed screen but have not picked it up until I have the system operating. My original design was to split the flows from both systems between the skimmer (3,200 gph) and the ATS (1,800 gph max recommended capacity by Morgan). I was just in the process of revamping my system to run everything (100%) through the skimmer first based on discussions with some other people helping me with the piping and not doing "partial" skimming. However, now since your comments and experience n-kleine, I am thinking of going back to my original design of splitting the flows and only running the skimmer intermittently.
I am consulting Morgan and Eric on the filtration system and will ask them about what you brought up. Glad you posted that. Will be making my second trip to Inland Aquatics within the next two weeks.
I will be posting things once I feel my system design is worthy of posting and can provide sufficient reasoning for the choices. I have about 15 CAD drawings of the system and tanks, and begun to purchase some the major components. Main 525g bow front has been ordered a month ago.
I am consulting Morgan and Eric on the filtration system and will ask them about what you brought up. Glad you posted that. Will be making my second trip to Inland Aquatics within the next two weeks.
I will be posting things once I feel my system design is worthy of posting and can provide sufficient reasoning for the choices. I have about 15 CAD drawings of the system and tanks, and begun to purchase some the major components. Main 525g bow front has been ordered a month ago.
Hello.What picture are you referring too?
Elite
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Sorry I don't have any way of drawing the layout. The ATS is in the very top right side. My main display lighting is in the front hood. The turf algae is fed water by a pump down in a dump that is built onto the right side. Water is pumped into the bucket until it overcomes the counterweight then dumps into the display tank. The surge back and forth in the bucket is what makes the turf algae grow and effective. In the wild this type of turf algae has to eat or filter water quickly due to the surge of waves back and forth. This is why some scrubber systems fail. You must have a surge or bucket to be as effective.
