My Breeding attempt - Perculas:
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dazed
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I have had success with both; so the choice is yours, lol. Based on your location i would recommend either of these places:
http://www.seahorsesource.com/
https://3kserver7.com/~frank/secure/agora.cgi
faf has a nice starter kit with everything you need.
https://3kserver7.com/~frank/secure/agora.cgi?cart_id=7734168.5516*6c6Nt4&product=CULTURE_KITS
under the right conditions they will multiply quickly; i would recommend to start (2) cultures in case one of them crashes.
dazed
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Well i am a little tired today stayed up last night fishing and no go; I guess this batch wanted to wait for 11 days before they think they are ready, so i will set up the snagger again tonight and hopefully have a better result.
Update on my other 8 well it's only taken 90+ days but i now have at least 2 of them starting their second stripes!! It's strange though that the 2 that i have noticed that are starting are not the bigger ones from the bunch for some reason i had thought that the larger ones would "lead the way" but it does not appear that way, one of them does not even have any black on his fins yet. Strange, strange.
Update on my other 8 well it's only taken 90+ days but i now have at least 2 of them starting their second stripes!! It's strange though that the 2 that i have noticed that are starting are not the bigger ones from the bunch for some reason i had thought that the larger ones would "lead the way" but it does not appear that way, one of them does not even have any black on his fins yet. Strange, strange.
dazed
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:thumbdown Well last night did not go well at all; and i am even more tired today. To bad i was not fishing for baby mysis (at least i think that's what they were) as i easily caught 300 or so of them last night in the snagger..
So lights go out at 9:30 and i turn off my return pump & my tunzes and have the snagger setup in the tank etc. etc. By midnight they still had not hatched out of the eggs; (that is 2 & 1/2 hours) after lights out. Being tired from the night before i decided that's enough for now; pulled out the snagger and I did catch (2) larvae but they were already dead:twitch:
An hour later still no hatch so i dumped all of the critters into my refugium; fired back up all of the pumps and went to bed.
This morning i find a bare patch where the eggs where; no idea when they hatched but sometime between my 5 hours of sleep.
Not sure why they delayed so long but that's the way it goes;
I plan to try and place a tile in the nesting site again when i get home from work and see if she will accept it again.
:thumbdown Well last night did not go well at all; and i am even more tired today. To bad i was not fishing for baby mysis (at least i think that's what they were) as i easily caught 300 or so of them last night in the snagger..So lights go out at 9:30 and i turn off my return pump & my tunzes and have the snagger setup in the tank etc. etc. By midnight they still had not hatched out of the eggs; (that is 2 & 1/2 hours) after lights out. Being tired from the night before i decided that's enough for now; pulled out the snagger and I did catch (2) larvae but they were already dead:twitch:
An hour later still no hatch so i dumped all of the critters into my refugium; fired back up all of the pumps and went to bed.
This morning i find a bare patch where the eggs where; no idea when they hatched but sometime between my 5 hours of sleep.
Not sure why they delayed so long but that's the way it goes;
I plan to try and place a tile in the nesting site again when i get home from work and see if she will accept it again.
dazed
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:lmao: true but sometimes you do have to fold...
My excuse then will be this: Based on the (2) that i did catch; that were already dead; I don't think the batch as a whole had a very good chance of surviving anyways, the larvae were smaller then normal and it was the first batch in 6 weeks that my female has laid, She stopped laying eggs at the same time i had whatever it was rip through my reef killing corals along the way.
I hope to place a tile in the nesting spot tonight and with any luck she won't go crazy about it being there. Her sides are already starting to bulge out so i hope to have another chance again soon.
My excuse then will be this: Based on the (2) that i did catch; that were already dead; I don't think the batch as a whole had a very good chance of surviving anyways, the larvae were smaller then normal and it was the first batch in 6 weeks that my female has laid, She stopped laying eggs at the same time i had whatever it was rip through my reef killing corals along the way.
I hope to place a tile in the nesting spot tonight and with any luck she won't go crazy about it being there. Her sides are already starting to bulge out so i hope to have another chance again soon.
dazed
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Yeah she laid a couple of clutches on the tile before and then one day she just went nuts with it being there; she tried & tried to move it out of the way; even to the point of causing some damage to the corner of her mouth at that point i removed it and tried the snagger idea. I did not have a very good hatch success rate with the tile though so i was content using the snagger.
I just watched the video you posted in your thread though of the bubble rate that you use and i never had mine turned up that high; which i will try if i get another chance to. It actually makes sense because i have seen the eggs get bashed around a bit when the tunze pulse up/down.
I am going to put the tile in tonight and hope for the best.
I just watched the video you posted in your thread though of the bubble rate that you use and i never had mine turned up that high; which i will try if i get another chance to. It actually makes sense because i have seen the eggs get bashed around a bit when the tunze pulse up/down.
I am going to put the tile in tonight and hope for the best.
subman719
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dazed... dazed... dazed.... have you NOT read any of my posts??? You CAN'T go to sleep! LOL Toothpicks in the eyes and a pot of coffee! LOL I'm all set for tomorrow night! 
Oh, they didn't like my tiles either. I came home the other day and they were pushed down and away from where I placed them so I took them out again. Isn't it sad that these little fish are kicking our butts?
Oh, they didn't like my tiles either. I came home the other day and they were pushed down and away from where I placed them so I took them out again. Isn't it sad that these little fish are kicking our butts?
rrcg50
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i just read you whole thread. i wanted to say thank you very much for all the info.
a few pointers maybe statements.
-from my reading the amonia reducers stunts/ slows there growth rate. not sure on the chloramx but i know that amquel does.
- when you pull the tile have a second in the sump ready to place back in the tank.. i use three that are the same size color minus the coraline
- my hatch rate has not been good so i will have to try that larvae catcher that you guys use. looks great or turn up the air stone a bit
-rot rearing all i do is have 2 ,5 gallon buckets on my lanai and add dts or home grown phyto to. no air or anything else. learned that from a local breeder. same thing with phyto
once again take it withh a grain of salt because i am relatively new at this also. i really appreciated all the info you have placed here. mine are going on 20 days and 2 have there 3rd stripe. also true percs
a few pointers maybe statements.
-from my reading the amonia reducers stunts/ slows there growth rate. not sure on the chloramx but i know that amquel does.
- when you pull the tile have a second in the sump ready to place back in the tank.. i use three that are the same size color minus the coraline
- my hatch rate has not been good so i will have to try that larvae catcher that you guys use. looks great or turn up the air stone a bit
-rot rearing all i do is have 2 ,5 gallon buckets on my lanai and add dts or home grown phyto to. no air or anything else. learned that from a local breeder. same thing with phyto
once again take it withh a grain of salt because i am relatively new at this also. i really appreciated all the info you have placed here. mine are going on 20 days and 2 have there 3rd stripe. also true percs
rrcg50
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i just read you whole thread. i wanted to say thank you very much for all the info.
a few pointers maybe statements.
-from my reading the amonia reducers stunts/ slows there growth rate. not sure on the chloramx but i know that amquel does.
- when you pull the tile have a second in the sump ready to place back in the tank.. i use three that are the same size color minus the coraline
- my hatch rate has not been good so i will have to try that larvae catcher that you guys use. looks great or turn up the air stone a bit
-rot rearing all i do is have 2 ,5 gallon buckets on my lanai and add dts or home grown phyto to. no air or anything else. learned that from a local breeder. same thing with phyto
once again take it withh a grain of salt because i am relatively new at this also. i really appreciated all the info you have placed here. mine are going on 20 days and 2 have there 3rd stripe. also true percs
a few pointers maybe statements.
-from my reading the amonia reducers stunts/ slows there growth rate. not sure on the chloramx but i know that amquel does.
- when you pull the tile have a second in the sump ready to place back in the tank.. i use three that are the same size color minus the coraline
- my hatch rate has not been good so i will have to try that larvae catcher that you guys use. looks great or turn up the air stone a bit
-rot rearing all i do is have 2 ,5 gallon buckets on my lanai and add dts or home grown phyto to. no air or anything else. learned that from a local breeder. same thing with phyto
once again take it withh a grain of salt because i am relatively new at this also. i really appreciated all the info you have placed here. mine are going on 20 days and 2 have there 3rd stripe. also true percs
dazed
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13682679#post13682679 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by subman719
dazed... dazed... dazed.... have you NOT read any of my posts??? You CAN'T go to sleep! LOL Toothpicks in the eyes and a pot of coffee! LOL I'm all set for tomorrow night!
Oh, they didn't like my tiles either. I came home the other day and they were pushed down and away from where I placed them so I took them out again. Isn't it sad that these little fish are kicking our butts?
I know I know
but the 2 nights in a row was enough for me, and i was already un-easy about the fact that the tank had been shut down for almost 3 hours at that point and still no hatch so at some point you just have to make a choice i guess and hope for another try.It is frustrating at times but hey if it were easy everyone would do it.
dazed
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Your welcome; glad i could maybe be of some help. I have also read that the Amquel can cause issues but we all know that ammonia is a killer so if it is present it has to be dealt with in some fashion.
The tiles work only if she accepts them; if she does great if not then you have to find another way. Imo it's a cat & mouse game either way, you either have a tile and have to get the bubble rate correct for hatching or you use the larvae catcher and have to get them in there.
So you are growing your phyto & rotifers with no use of air at all?
Do you have a picture of your breeding pair? because that growth rate would have to be the fastest that i have read about for True percs yet?
subman719
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dazed- Now you have me worried about having the tank shut down thing. I had mine shut down last night for 7 hours. I figured if all the livestock was able to survive overnight shipping in a box, it can survive 7 hours in a bigger environment. I have two programs in my automation system: one for normal operation and one for "larvae hatch mode". I just load the appropriate program when needed. I do have a heater and power head in my sump because it's being used as a frag tank which stays on the whole time. Also, I have two 150 watt heaters in my main tank behind the rocks to maintain temp and some circulation through convection. I'm thinking of installing a Maxi-Jet 1200 down behind the rocks with a hose run remotely above to provide some circulation and push the larvae towards the light at the other end of the tank. Maybe this will buy me more time so I can get some sleep and catch them in the morning. I'm willing to try anything at this point. This is getting ridiculous! I've lost 6 batches total, the last 3 being completely missed! Yes, I did lose last nights hatch. I posted details in my thread.
rrcg50
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if you look at my sig pic you can see them. also if you click on the red house and then go to the folders that is labeled fish you can see better pics. i do keep my temp higher that 80 so maybe that is also a reason along with not using amonia reducer. i also transfer them out at roughly 13 days because i need to reuse my hatch out tank for the next batch.. i change the water twice a day to help withthe amonia and i also add strong iodine(lugols) a drop a day. will get pics up later of the juvi's. still working on getting a better hatch number. improper air stone rate is either killing them or causing fungus. last hatch over 100 eggs left on stone. i might try methylin blue if the same thing happens to this hatch
melev
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People have lost fish to oxygen deprivation in less hours than that, as the sandbed (DSB) soaks it all up from the system. Hatching usually occurs 1 hour after lights out, so 7 hours seems too long to me. I wouldn't risk it with my reef, that's for sure.
If my main display is without power for one hour, I pull out the generator until the power company restores electricity.
You can't compare a tank with a biological filter to a bag of water in transport. As you know, one of the reasons acclimation is so important is because ammonia levels have risen in the bag and pH is depressed. Bringing up pH quickly can burn the gills of the fish as the ammonia now becomes toxic. And that is just a bag of water...
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