My first SW

[bryan ayo]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12612437#post12612437 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by solastsummer
im sure using the 60 as a sump/fuge is a good idea, but I hate having the feeling that I spent as much as i did for a sump.... but it would be best. This time i plan on not going cheap for LR, maybe tampa bay saltwater or somnething. Im sure my LR has everything it needs, just not enough coraline and critters.

Do you have a local reef club..I am very active in mine. We have LR for sale weekly and its normally very cheep...Being active in a local RC has many benefits ...We have monthly meeting to get together and swap frags ,ideas, gear and get drunk in the posses..lol!!!

Actually the best way to go is starting with base rock such as macro rocks and take small amounts or LR to seed the base... You would be surprised at what a small amount of LR can do to base.

as for the sump...go big as you can fit ..dot skimp on equipment especially a skimmer!!!!!!!! its the most important piece of equipment you will have in your system!

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12612201#post12612201 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bryan ayo
this is my 90g started in nov 07

I love the fuge setup with the mangroves
could you possible repost these pictures on this thread

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1349443

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12610057#post12610057 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KingRicky
I just set my tank up yesterday and I placed my base rock directly on the tank bottom and then used Gorrila glue to attach the next level of BR to it. I then filled the sand in around the bottom layer of rock. I stacked my LR on top and it only touched the glass 1 place on the back and 1 each side .

I need to add another 20 to 30 lbs. of LR to make it look better. The rock is very stable and I don't think that the CUC will be able to undrmine it.

gorilla glue--that is a new one to me---is that the brand name--what exactly is it--and epoxy?

 

[KingRicky]

Gorilla Glue is the name brand, I found it at wall mart in the paint section. It is where the gloves, tape and small supplies arew. It is non-toxic,100% waterproof. We have been using it for years to glue all kinds of stuff. It bonds just about anything and sticks really well. It does not work as fast as Super Glue but bonds just as well.

You can bond rock/stone, glass,and wood. I have not found anything that it will not eork on yet. Just be carefull because it expands as it dries so you don't have to use alot.

 

[otrlynn]

KingRicky, not to hijack the thread, but can Gorilla Glue be used on wet surfaces? For example, can it be applied to the bottom of a frag plug (which could be dried fairly well) but applied to live rock in the tank?

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12615046#post12615046 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KingRicky
Gorilla Glue is the name brand, I found it at wall mart in the paint section. It is where the gloves, tape and small supplies arew. It is non-toxic,100% waterproof. We have been using it for years to glue all kinds of stuff. It bonds just about anything and sticks really well. It does not work as fast as Super Glue but bonds just as well.

You can bond rock/stone, glass,and wood. I have not found anything that it will not eork on yet. Just be carefull because it expands as it dries so you don't have to use alot.

is there any data about its toxicity to fish, coral and inverts?

 

[KingRicky]

The instructions on the bottle actually require lightly dampening the surfaces to be glued. I don't know if it will work if the surfaces are saturated, never tried to glue anything with it that was real wet.

http://www.gorillaglue.com/

Here is the link to their web site.

 

[abulgin]

Not to spoil the party, but your 60 gallon is way too small for the Coral Beauty or the Yellow Tang.

 

[crazywesc]

I drilled my rocks and used 3/8 pvc to stack my rocks up so none of them would be touching the glass. I can pass a mag float all the way around the rock work.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12618271#post12618271 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Not to spoil the party, but your 60 gallon is way too small for the Coral Beauty or the Yellow Tang.

I can see the yellow tang being problematic in a 60 gal but curious why you suggested the coral beauty--its only a 4 inch fish in adult?

 

[abulgin]

if you research the Coaral Beauty's needs, you will see that it needs a 75 gallon tank minimum. It can be very territorial and needs space..

 

[solastsummer]

not to spoil your party but after researching on the internet the absolute largest min tank size said 50... I dont know where you are getting your information. In fact Dr Foster & Smith put the size at 30.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12619584#post12619584 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
if you research the Coaral Beauty's needs, you will see that it needs a 75 gallon tank minimum. It can be very territorial and needs space..

Albulgin, I have to agree with solastsummer here, I did a quick search of three sites before I posted and none of them listed the needs of a 75 gal.
Mind you they were commercial sites and we know how they can stretch it a little for their interests

I personally don't like the use of the mim tank size criteria, rather I look at the adult size in the wild and their specific needs

 

[solastsummer]

yeah they could but peteducation.com listed it as 30 and while they are owned by dr fosters and smith they are very very accurate with their needs.

 

[Jakesaw]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12615046#post12615046 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KingRicky
Gorilla Glue is the name brand, I found it at wall mart in the paint section. It is where the gloves, tape and small supplies arew. It is non-toxic,100% waterproof. We have been using it for years to glue all kinds of stuff. It bonds just about anything and sticks really well. It does not work as fast as Super Glue but bonds just as well.

Just make sure you use nitrile gloves when working with gorilla glue. If you get it on your skin - you'll have a dark spot ( like an age spot ) for a week or two on your skin. It's no big deal - but it sure looks strange.

Don't ask me how I know this

 

[jamest0o0]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12619584#post12619584 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
if you research the Coaral Beauty's needs, you will see that it needs a 75 gallon tank minimum. It can be very territorial and needs space..

I've heard 30g as a minimum.

 

[evilspaz]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12619584#post12619584 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
if you research the Coaral Beauty's needs, you will see that it needs a 75 gallon tank minimum. It can be very territorial and needs space..

are you the guy who said tangs need a 300 gallon tank? and its cruel to put them in a 125 gallon?

 

[solastsummer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12612513#post12612513 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bryan ayo
Do you have a local reef club..I am very active in mine. We have LR for sale weekly and its normally very cheep...Being active in a local RC has many benefits ...We have monthly meeting to get together and swap frags ,ideas, gear and get drunk in the posses..lol!!!

Actually the best way to go is starting with base rock such as macro rocks and take small amounts or LR to seed the base... You would be surprised at what a small amount of LR can do to base.

as for the sump...go big as you can fit ..dot skimp on equipment especially a skimmer!!!!!!!! its the most important piece of equipment you will have in your system!

In all honesty the closest reef club is probably 250 miles away

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12619833#post12619833 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
Albulgin, I have to agree with solastsummer here, I did a quick search of three sites before I posted and none of them listed the needs of a 75 gal.
Mind you they were commercial sites and we know how they can stretch it a little for their interests

I personally don't like the use of the mim tank size criteria, rather I look at the adult size in the wild and their specific needs

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/c_bispinosa.htm

"A minimum of seventy five uncrowded gallons is required for keeping this small angel happy and healthy. Larger is of course better. "

Drs. Foster and Smith is not a reliable source of information, IMO. Not only have I seen some very bad information on the site, but its "minimum tank size" really assumes that the fish is the only one in the tank.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12628800#post12628800 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/c_bispinosa.htm

"A minimum of seventy five uncrowded gallons is required for keeping this small angel happy and healthy. Larger is of course better. "

Drs. Foster and Smith is not a reliable source of information, IMO. Not only have I seen some very bad information on the site, but its "minimum tank size" really assumes that the fish is the only one in the tank.

thankyou abulgin--just goes to show you that you learn something everyday on this site and the importance of keeping an open mind in this hobby:smokin:

this is also a good example of the confusion over tank size
in the case of tangs it is providing swimming room
IMO in the case of the dwarf angle it is providing adequate territorial rites and rock surface for grazing

thanks again --good call