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TryTheChi
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6719347#post6719347 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Klay
There is a bacteria product from Canada called reefresh. it's available at polyplab.com
i've used their reef-roids product for a couple months with wicked results but i've only just started using their bacterial product. the few people i've talked to who tested out the product say it's phenomenal.
Water has DEFINITELY cleared up. i don't have a phosphate test kit that will test low enough to see what my exact phosphate is but I'm hoping it will colour up my SPS
Thanks for the links - any pics of tanks that use it pls?
Cheers
Simon
TryTheChi
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Hi tangblack
It was robwsup who is importing it into the US I think - I imagine he'll set up a sponsors forum in time. (The only thing I dont like about those is that they seem to be full of product fans??)
In the meantime I'd be interested to hear of your experiences with Prodi and other aspects here as you also have great coloration and a years experience with these bacs. You have great results and use a combination of other products.
Iwan attributed his results to a wider range of factors than just prodi -
The Polyp Lab products maybe a suitable alternative to the prodi ones?
Cheers
Simon
Reefflections
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Simon
Wow you hit with me with a lot of questions here.And will try to do my best here.
1.You asked me if I'm Bare bottom.Well sort of.....I have a wrasse,and a cuke.The fish needs the sand for sleeping quarters.As for the fish,he keeps any Acro flatworms in check,that might enter the system.I have a 240 gallon reef,and only 1 bag of sand.Which runs across the front only.So I can siphone sand when water changes are done every 2 weeks.I "don't" really like the look of BB.We try to do what we see in the ocean.And when I see a tank like that,it looks like something is missing.Also like the sand look more natural appearence.Also the sand reflects light back into the system.I was also wondering saying you have a deep sand bed,could you pull it out after say 1 year,and just replace it.Or does this totally,threw the balance off with Prod?You mentioned your sad bed is seperate from your main system?Well a lot of us can't do that?No room,also in sump skimmer in there also.And there is a lot of folks run their system this way.
You ask about Zeo start 1 and start 2.When I was in it,start 1 was the only product they had at that time.Then Start 2 came into the picture.And all the Zeo folks went to the Start 2.Reason was it was a safer product to use.But myself and a good friend of mine still had problems?There must been a reason for Start 2 to be developed.There must have been,very bad results to come out with start 2?
2.Getting back to the sand been issue.I really wonder now,being off Zeo now.If this really comes into play with the sand bed.Yes there are Zeo users with "no" sand beds.Yet others do have sand beds.I really begin to wonder now.If Zeo would have been a lot easier,if a sand bed was in place.The reason why I question this is.It seems the sand bed would pull in the additives that's being added.When there is no sand bed,kinda of getting the feeling a really radical approach.Because once you dose,you have just the rock,that's it.I could be wrong here.But wonder if it's easier to control your system?
3.You mentioned Coral appearence,and manf. guide lines.The guide lines and manf,can be confusing.With Zeo you have to know exact water volume to start with.Again you have to guess,when a system is already running.You have to watch your panes,for film build up(over dose).STN and RTN on corals,coral thinning(tips),loss of color.And this also depends on your bio load.When you have any of these signs,you had to adjust your dosages,on what they tell you.It just isn't written down in stone.A little of this,and a little of that.Then tell us what you see?It was driving me crazy.Then once you dose,your stuck with it !And hope for the best.Again I'm not against Zeo at all.These a lot of folks had great results.And I wish I could have kept going.You just have to have a lot of patience.Zeo is probably a very good product to use.Like you said with Zeo,and even Prod you just might be better,to have a small tank.To really understand how these products really work.Also the Zeo products are VERY strong.As you know Simon,by adding AA,CV,PFI.
I hope this helps some Simon,and other folks here.Again not bashing Zeo.Just trying to point out some of the things,that went wrong with me.That's why I'm on this thread,just for a safer method,with same results.
Curt
Wow you hit with me with a lot of questions here.And will try to do my best here.
1.You asked me if I'm Bare bottom.Well sort of.....I have a wrasse,and a cuke.The fish needs the sand for sleeping quarters.As for the fish,he keeps any Acro flatworms in check,that might enter the system.I have a 240 gallon reef,and only 1 bag of sand.Which runs across the front only.So I can siphone sand when water changes are done every 2 weeks.I "don't" really like the look of BB.We try to do what we see in the ocean.And when I see a tank like that,it looks like something is missing.Also like the sand look more natural appearence.Also the sand reflects light back into the system.I was also wondering saying you have a deep sand bed,could you pull it out after say 1 year,and just replace it.Or does this totally,threw the balance off with Prod?You mentioned your sad bed is seperate from your main system?Well a lot of us can't do that?No room,also in sump skimmer in there also.And there is a lot of folks run their system this way.
You ask about Zeo start 1 and start 2.When I was in it,start 1 was the only product they had at that time.Then Start 2 came into the picture.And all the Zeo folks went to the Start 2.Reason was it was a safer product to use.But myself and a good friend of mine still had problems?There must been a reason for Start 2 to be developed.There must have been,very bad results to come out with start 2?
2.Getting back to the sand been issue.I really wonder now,being off Zeo now.If this really comes into play with the sand bed.Yes there are Zeo users with "no" sand beds.Yet others do have sand beds.I really begin to wonder now.If Zeo would have been a lot easier,if a sand bed was in place.The reason why I question this is.It seems the sand bed would pull in the additives that's being added.When there is no sand bed,kinda of getting the feeling a really radical approach.Because once you dose,you have just the rock,that's it.I could be wrong here.But wonder if it's easier to control your system?
3.You mentioned Coral appearence,and manf. guide lines.The guide lines and manf,can be confusing.With Zeo you have to know exact water volume to start with.Again you have to guess,when a system is already running.You have to watch your panes,for film build up(over dose).STN and RTN on corals,coral thinning(tips),loss of color.And this also depends on your bio load.When you have any of these signs,you had to adjust your dosages,on what they tell you.It just isn't written down in stone.A little of this,and a little of that.Then tell us what you see?It was driving me crazy.Then once you dose,your stuck with it !And hope for the best.Again I'm not against Zeo at all.These a lot of folks had great results.And I wish I could have kept going.You just have to have a lot of patience.Zeo is probably a very good product to use.Like you said with Zeo,and even Prod you just might be better,to have a small tank.To really understand how these products really work.Also the Zeo products are VERY strong.As you know Simon,by adding AA,CV,PFI.
I hope this helps some Simon,and other folks here.Again not bashing Zeo.Just trying to point out some of the things,that went wrong with me.That's why I'm on this thread,just for a safer method,with same results.
Curt
I have had the product for over 8 months and have been dosing Biodigest. biotum, reef booster,
I have not been dosing all the time as i keep forgetting to add it sometimes,
What i have done is to start dosing the product every week,
my tank is 2500L
I started last week and just added the second dose. I spoke to Prodibio in france and they told me to dose weekly .
I have stopped rowaphos and only run carbon.
I also add a sml dose of aktiv bak. this is like zeofood a carbon source to feed the bacteria, i dont add much.
I also run tunze zeolite in a canister filter. about 1000l/h flow.
Today i did a test and my po4 is .024 on a merck test kits and nitrates as about 10-20ppm, salifert. very hard to read.
My levels have gone up as i feed alot as i have many fish,
here are some pics,
The tricolour is a very hard coral to colour up as it has been brown for a long time. today i notice i can see some blue coming thru so good news so far,
i will take a pic next week to compare.
Iwan what camera do you use to take pics of your tank??
TryTheChi
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Hi Curt - thanks for the info
- I only have a MSB - 3 inches in total depth - first layer very fine aragamud - next layer miracle mud - from previous system to seed the sand bed then a thicker layer of 'live' aragonite. This is in the sump and has a floor space of 20% of the the main BB tank (which I covered in white perspex to reflect light back up) . I also have a low LR/water volumn ratio of about 0.56/1 Since dosing prodi the NO3 is rock solid zero using both sera and salifert kits. I conclude from that that I dont need more sand or rock for the bacs to live in for the bioload. If I experience problems in the future that I can isolate to the sand bed - I would take it out or replace it gradually - that way the changes would be slow - I can't see how that would disturb Prodi functioning as there are fresh innoculations every other week.
[/QUOTE] .There must have been,very bad results to come out with start 2? [/B][/QUOTE]
I'v seen that said by a few people - I dose Start 2 on a daily basis but at half the recommended amount (0.5 ml per 100ltr) and the film on the glass has reduced. I notice tangblack also doses another brand of bac carbon daily too.
[/QUOTE].Getting back to the sand been issue.I really wonder now,being off Zeo now.If this really comes into play with the sand bed.Yes there are Zeo users with "no" sand beds.Yet others do have sand beds.I really begin to wonder now.If Zeo would have been a lot easier,if a sand bed was in place.The reason why I question this is.It seems the sand bed would pull in the additives that's being added.When there is no sand bed,kinda of getting the feeling a really radical approach.Because once you dose,you have just the rock,that's it.I could be wrong here.But wonder if it's easier to control your system? [/B][/QUOTE].
IMO - appart from the benefits of aragonite sand bed buffering the PH and adding a small contribution to CA/ALK/Str, and hosting a source of zoo plancton - if there is enough LR in the system to for biofilms to develop - that would be able to handel the bio load (depending on food inputs). As I say I have a very low LR/water capacity ratio and the readings are fine.
[/QUOTE].Also the Zeo products are VERY strong.As you know Simon,by adding AA,CV,PFI. [/B][/QUOTE].
Yes - I dose conservatively with these non ZB3 Zeo products - and have had no negative experiences so far- infact given 0 NO3 PO4 levels I understand these (or alternative) food and elements are important for coral health. Tangblack is doing an experiment for a month just using Prodi products - will be interesting to see his results.
On the risk front - we'v yet to hear Iwans opinion - but so far tangblack's experience is good as is mine - Prodi does what it says. No STN, RTN, or bleaching.
Curt - just out of curiosity - have you any pics you could post pls?
Cheers
Simon
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Floridiot
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I've started dosing Prodibio and I am posting updates on my thread: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=737840&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
doody
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I'm planning a 125L sps tank, and I'm trying to decide what kind of lights to go with. Iwans tank looks awsome with T-5 only. Then you got this tank.......
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=586367&highlight=Italian
..... thats running 10k MH only and is awsome. Iwan uses pobidio and the other is Zeovit. I'm wondering if Iwan would have the same results and coloring if he would've used MH. And vise versa for the Zeovit guy.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=586367&highlight=Italian
..... thats running 10k MH only and is awsome. Iwan uses pobidio and the other is Zeovit. I'm wondering if Iwan would have the same results and coloring if he would've used MH. And vise versa for the Zeovit guy.
Floridiot
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I only dosed one vial of ReefBooster in my 720 liter system about 55% normal dosage. This caused my water to get somewhat cloudy, but did not cause any sliming from my acros. My water cleared up within 24 hours.
Reefbooster has a very strong odor. I have an open topped aquarium. My house stunk for this same 24 hours.
Iwan or Simon,
Just recieved the BioDigest and Bioptium products from France today. My 175g tank is nearing the end of the rock curing process with Nitrates climbing up to 5 ppm. Have a DSB of about 3" right now and will increase it to 4" later this week....
Will begin adding BioDigest and Bioptium to tank in a few minutes. Do you guys recomend turning off my Skimmer now or it does it really right now at this early stage? ...Until I start using the ReefBooster when the tank is populated with more SPS frags....?
Any dosing methods you would like to share would be great...
TIA,
Scott
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Just recieved the BioDigest and Bioptium products from France today. My 175g tank is nearing the end of the rock curing process with Nitrates climbing up to 5 ppm. Have a DSB of about 3" right now and will increase it to 4" later this week....
Will begin adding BioDigest and Bioptium to tank in a few minutes. Do you guys recomend turning off my Skimmer now or it does it really right now at this early stage? ...Until I start using the ReefBooster when the tank is populated with more SPS frags....?
Any dosing methods you would like to share would be great...
TIA,
Scott
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