my house reef (211 g.)

[doody]

Just checked my note, and your right Simon recomended 24/7 use of passive AC. I cut and past highlights to MS Word.

 

[ScubaTC]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7057463#post7057463 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by doody
... I cut and past highlights to MS Word.

Same here. I had to start doing that a while back to keep track as well as come up with a product/dosing regimen with additional important info.

 

[TryTheChi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7056802#post7056802 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefdaddy1
Could someone please answer me on this. Is the DSB in europe with Plenum? Or is it jsut DSB? I have seen both in pages on thier websites , But would like to know what the standard is. And what Is Iwan ruinning on his? Thanks

I havent seen any reference to a plenum in Iwan's system and I dont think there is a standard in Europe - some are plenum based DSBs (not many tank based as far as I can see - more sump located plenum DSBs), some DSB or MSB and some BB. Personally I run a BB tank with a non plenum MSB in the sump which is 20% of the tank floor space - with no NO3 since prodi. Detritus settles in the tank and 1st sump compartment.

Cheers

Simon

 

[ahchung]

Do you mean that amount of bacteria will increase? If so, will there be a limit on it (i.e., nutrition level will increase after maximum amount of bacteria is established)?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7057361#post7057361 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ScubaTC
My skimate was a little darker after starting Prodibio and now I have notice a reduction in how much is produced daily. I believe others have also noted that skimate is reduced due to the low nutrient environment the bacteria is establishing.

 

[TryTheChi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7057064#post7057064 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ScubaTC
. Until I can start these, do you have any other recommendations as a temporary substitute for these additives to help address the whitening tips? I was also thinking of holding off on the next Prodi bact doses, but continue to maintain Reef Booster doses.

Before I started Prodi my phosphates and nitrates were already undetectable using Salifert tests. Since I've started dosing Prodi I've also began running carbon 24/7 in the sump and performing weekly 15% water changes in place of the routine monthly changes.

Regards

Hi Scuba

Great to hear that coloration has improved - and there is more to come when you dose CV and AAHC if my experience is anything to go by Its hard to suggest alternatives to the zeo branded additives as KS dont disclose content - so one is left with pulling off something labeled amino acids from the LFS? Articles 3 and 4 in coral mag that Meso posted discuss this.

As you are low nutrient already - sounds like it could be sensible to suspend Digest and Tpim until you get the food sources.

In the meantime this thread could be helpful?

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=697565&perpage=25&pagenumber=3

CAreefer has used ZB4 for 18 months as nutrient control - but since he started on CV and K-B his coloration has improved significantly - sorry I lost the link to that thread - a search for 'Zeo' will find it though. Previously his sps looked light to me too.

Re the use of Carbon - the zeo method recomend passive use (or a portion in thier reactors) 24/7 - but the key point emphasised here is that gentle passive use is to be aimed at. Since I changed from powered CAG use to more passive use - I saw better coloration - probably because the CAG wasnt taking out the zeo elements so quickly.

Just a question on w/c - is there any reason to change so much water each week? What salt brand you you use?

Have you any before/after pics to share?

Cheers

Simon

 

[TryTheChi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7057267#post7057267 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ahchung
Does it require a strong skimmer for Prodibio products to work?

Re skimmers - Iwan has 2 (although I'v read that its best to use the same size and brand if one is running 2 otherwise the stronger has all the action - so would be interesting to hear Iwan's experience)- dedicated Zeoheads like monster skimmers - I run one rated for 4 times the tank volume. The skimmate produced after prodi is introduced was much darker for a period, but now is lighter and I'm not sure that such a large capacity skimmer is needed now - it just bubbles away taking very little out until after fish feeding.

Best practice would suggest going big, if one feeds a large fish bioload alot...

Cheers

SImon

 

[TryTheChi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7057189#post7057189 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by doody
I thought that carbon was a no no for the Iwan methode

Its Ozone and UV that are a theortical no no as they destroy the bacs in the water column. However I did run my UV for a few days when I noticed some STN after fragging- then stopped UV when the STN stopped, then dosed Prodi again - no ill effects were observed.

Cheers

SImon

 

[tangblack]

I found that since i stopped my rowa phos my po4 went up again.
I have been dosing bio digest. biptum, weekly to see if it would drop the po4 .

My po4 went up to .16ppm so i tried po4 buster by carib sea,
It works great as the next day my po4 was .01ppm. no problems with any corals so it put out the theory that dropping po4 quickly will cause rtn/stn.

I am dosing bio digest/biotum every two weeks as my tank it looking too clean. all my snails are dying since there is nothing to eat.

Iwan hoe is the new amino acid going from reefstar, i just started doing it yesterday.
Looks like a very good amino acid as it is suppose to be the best quality. i hear the bottles they come in cost a bit.

 

[tangblack]

i also understand that there is a article coming out on tests done on some coral food.
They test a nunber of foods and found that they where not good quality. I understand that the DT plankton is suppose to be really good coral food.

 

[MiddletonMark]

DT's phyto?

It's arguable [as they intake it at times] - but many folks believe that Acropora-types don't consume a significant amount of phytoplankton.
IME, it's a product that easily causes nutrient problems - so I've chosen other sources of nutrition that don't seem to haze my glass so quickly.

 

[TryTheChi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7058079#post7058079 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tangblack
i also understand that there is a article coming out on tests done on some coral food.
They test a nunber of foods and found that they where not good quality. I understand that the DT plankton is suppose to be really good coral food.

I understood that corals only derive a very small amount of energy from phyto plancton and that the benefits of dosing were to boost zoo plancton populations which coral do eat.....? Will be interesting to see the article.

 

[Reefdaddy1]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7057759#post7057759 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TryTheChi
I havent seen any reference to a plenum in Iwan's system and I dont think there is a standard in Europe - some are plenum based DSBs (not many tank based as far as I can see - more sump located plenum DSBs), some DSB or MSB and some BB. Personally I run a BB tank with a non plenum MSB in the sump which is 20% of the tank floor space - with no NO3 since prodi. Detritus settles in the tank and 1st sump compartment.

Cheers

Simon

Thanks Simon Appreciate the response.

 

[melev]

Simon, a page ago you mentioned about possibly starvation to the SPS. Would not ReefBooster provide that necessary nutrient for the corals to dine upon?

 

[TryTheChi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7062645#post7062645 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
Simon, a page ago you mentioned about possibly starvation to the SPS. Would not ReefBooster provide that necessary nutrient for the corals to dine upon?

Good point Marc - I had'nt thought of dosing booster more regularly. PE is superb when I do. Thanks - I'll give that a go@ twise a week.

I'v also just re read Iwan's www section on DSBs where he reports better coral coloration after putting in his 10cm (4 inch) dsb at the begining of 2005. This seems to link in with what Meso was pointing out earlier, and also reports here

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7061712#post7061712

I feel an aragonite order comming on......I'm secretly pleased because that means I can also get a colony of yellow headed jawfish - mercats of the sea This one my wife will agree to - she loves these......

 

[pangea]

RTN/STN using Prodibio?

RTN/STN using Prodibio?

Anyone having issues with either? After dosing my 125 with 1-Digest / 2-Bioptim waiting three days and then dosing 1-Booster, I had an Acro RTN. This happened the night after dosing Booster, about half gone-next evening all gone. Today I noticed a Pocillopora starting.

Water perams are good. I feed CV and freeze dried mix of rotifers, spirulina and several GP sizes (5-100micron) as well.

I'm going to hold off on the Booster a few weeks 'till this get stable... hopefully.

 

[h20cooled]

I've been dosing now for 2 weeks and I haven't seen any RTN/STN issues with my corals.

What I have notices so far is algae starting to disappear in the tank the the macro has just about disappeared also. I have noticed that 1 of my montis that the body had turned brown on has went back to a nice purple.

 

[tangblack]

I highly think it is unlikely that reef booster will cause rtn. Its mainly amino acids, fatty acids etc.
I have been using it for 12 months and never had any rtn.

 

[robthorn]

just wondering if everyone using the prodibio is holding the empty vial in front of a powerhead inside the tank to get everything out of them. especially the reef booster since the selco inside gets stuck to the glass pretty well. I know there's alot left in there because it clouds the tank pretty good when I do it.
about the rtn I have not experienced anything yet. I do have high phosphates from the original owner of my tank and I just haven't been able to get rid of them yet. I also have a 125 but when I started dosing I used 1 of all 3 products then 1 week later I added 1 more bioptim then the next week I dosed 1 digest 2 bioptim and 1 reef booster. so far so good.

 

[melev]

I plan to open the vials at each end, to get all the solution out of them. As always, I'll pour it into a cup of water, and stir, then add it to the tank.

 

[mikeatjac]

I will be dosing the same way as robthorn. I have CV ordered and will order AAHC today. This my second week on prodibio.

I do have some questions.

I run a calcium Reactor so my PH does run lower than I like. In the past I had adjusted the CR so the output did not meet my tanks needs and then 3 times a week I would use the Slurry method to add Kalk. This helped with the PH. I am adding a second canister to my CR this weekend to see if that helps raise my PH. Since Slurry and Drip methods are not preferred here, what is the "balling" method of adding calcium?

I understand the thought on Ozone, but does the bacteria stay in the water column all the time? Robsreef said it was ok to turn your ozone back on after 3 days from dosing. This makes sense to me. Your thoughts.

Thanks
Mike