My Ich Experience

[tmz]

Large Anges Thanks for the information,
, I don't mix the formalin and copper either. The bath is in a bucket before qt and the copper when I use it(if I see symptoms) starts later in the qt.I haven't been using copper prophylactically but I am considering doing so at least for certain fish. All new arrivals do get the formalin bath.

 

[warrenm107]

"SANO"

"SANO"

"What is Sano?"

 

[gary faulkner]

Re: "SANO"

Re: "SANO"

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12678584#post12678584 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by warrenm107
"What is Sano?"

I believe he means "just say no"

 

[TerryB]

SANO was a treatment for ich that was popular several years ago. It was readily accepted by a large number of reefers as a cure for ich because it was easy to use and the person promoting it raved about it being a natural cure. He also said that hyposalinity or copper would kill the fish. There was a lot of heated arguements on the message boards about this product. People wanted to believe in it, but it was actually just another "snake oil". With some time people began to realize that the stuff didn't work. Now most people don't even know what SANO is and I don't think it is even around any more.

Terry B

 

[gary faulkner]

Now most people don't even know what SANO is

I'm living proof!

 

[tmz]

But if garlic keeps away mosquitos and vampires it surely will cure ich. I thought SANO was a toilet bowl cleaner.

 

[saltyputty]

Hmmm. Still no ich. New fish is healthy, never got any spots.

TMZ - you can ridicule all you want. If you read what I posted without a bias you will see that I never claimed that garlic "cured" my ich.

+1 for snake oil.

I love how people on here think they know everything, and criticize without trying.

You are really creating a great community.

 

[gary faulkner]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12669110#post12669110 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by saltyputty
Dismissing ideas without trying them is definitely what I consider good science.

So long reefcentral...and good luck.

What happened?



Hmmm. Still no ich. New fish is healthy, never got any spots.

TMZ - you can ridicule all you want. If you read what I posted without a bias you will see that I never claimed that garlic "cured" my ich.

+1 for snake oil.

I love how people on here think they know everything, and criticize without trying.

You are really creating a great community.




Sounds like you're still mad at us, but you are back just the same.




<img src="/images/welcome.gif" width="500" Backheight="62"><br><b><i><big><big>To Reef Central</b></i></big></big>

 

[gary faulkner]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12740694#post12740694 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gary faulkner
What happened?



Hmmm. Still no ich. New fish is healthy, never got any spots.

TMZ - you can ridicule all you want. If you read what I posted without a bias you will see that I never claimed that garlic "cured" my ich.

+1 for snake oil.

I love how people on here think they know everything, and criticize without trying.

You are really creating a great community.




Sounds like you're still mad at us, but you are back just the same.




<img src="/images/welcome.gif" width="500" Backheight="62"><br><b><i><big><big>To Reef Central</b></i></big></big>

Just pulling your chain, Salty. Why don't you hang around awhile longer. We can all learn a little something. You might even learn a little from us thick skinned SOBs. Anyway, welcome back.

 

[saltyputty]

Actually, I have already learned a lot from this place, thank you all for that.

I just find it find it frustrating that people dismiss real life accounts and experiences without giving them a thought or a chance.

I would consider the Immuvit / Lipovit line superior to Selcon IME, yet I bet few on here have tried it.

I woulds still not change a thing about the way I dealt with the ich or will deal with it in the future (if I can keep the fish eating).

Sorry for the drama.

 

[tmz]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12740858#post12740858 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by saltyputty
Actually, I have already learned a lot from this place, thank you all for that.

I just find it find it frustrating that people dismiss real life accounts and experiences without giving them a thought or a chance.

I would consider the Immuvit / Lipovit line superior to Selcon IME, yet I bet few on here have tried it.

I woulds still not change a thing about the way I dealt with the ich or will deal with it in the future (if I can keep the fish eating).

Sorry for the drama.

No one dismissed anything without a thoughtful and carefull reading. There is certainly no personal ridiclule excdept perhaps by you.There were numerous well thought out explainations. You chose to read it all as a personal slight and dismissal as if somehow you in your 1 year of experience had found the miracle way to deal with this parasitic plague and any argument against your finding was arrogant and ill informed. You haven't in my opinion found any alternate effective treatment.I wish you coninued good luck with your fish.
Every anecdotal account has some value and needs to be sliced and diced to see if there is truth in it or misperception. If you are going to claim to have found something as significant as "an alternative treatment that is effective", then you should expect strong argument.
More importantly ,there is an urgency to treat promptly and correctly and wasting time with wishful thinking and unproven" alternative treatments that are effective" will result in more fish deaths. Such statements when made on this forum serve as advice to others who want to save a fish and they need to to be challenged strongly or better not made at all without a lot of study and research.

 

[saltyputty]

LOL, actually, my experience involves a BSc with a focus on marine biology and 6 years experience collecting and maintaining exhibits at a public aquarium, as well as taking care of a 1000 gallon reef system.

I've seen plenty of fish die in QTs, from lack of space, poor water quality or excessive handling.

Not a miracle, just a combination of products and procedures that worked for me, therefore, they were a viable solution.

My fish are alive, do not show ich to this day. I did not use copper, or hypo.

I also had a temperature spike while I was away and the ich did not manifest itself after that.

Have you used any of the products that I described? Or do we just dismiss them all as snake oil? It seems the latter is a pretty prevalent attitude here.

I am yet to find satisfactory answers to some of the questions I posed, which I see were carefully avoided.

And if I ridiculed anyone, which I do not believe to be the case, I apologize.

 

[tmz]

Which questions have not been answered?Which aquarium?

 

[saltyputty]

Perhaps you should read the thread again.

The questions are all there.

And there is NO way I am telling you where I worked after the treatment in this thread.

Let's just say it was an AZA accredited organization.

 

[tmz]

Again what questions do you have that have not been answered. They appear to have been answered in detail. Read the responses.

 

[saltyputty]

Well, how many have tried Medic prior to dismissing it?

Has anyone used Lipovit / Immuvit?

IME Lipovit>>Selcon and everyone seems to be raving about beta glucanes (sp?), which s what Immuvit contains (as well as other things). AFAIK, there is no other aquarium specific equivalent for this, and IME Lipovit / Immuvit are some of the greatest food supplements that I have worked with so far.

 

[tmz]

I answered the first question and explained why I would not use it as a treatment for ich and at least one other poster explained that even the manufacturer did not claim it was an effective alternative treatment for ich as you did.

I have no argument with your suggestion that specific food supplements noted may be good for fish. I do not ,however ,consider them an effective alternative treatment for ich. Nor do I think chicken soup would cure head lice or ticks. I will look into them and consider them as food supplements . I am,however, personaly reluctant to vary my feeding regimen since my fish are quite healthy and long lived.

I do not object in any way to the offering of anecdotal information on a food supplement or a treatment.
My problem with your post is it's claim to an alternative effective treatment for ich based on a single experience witnessed by only you of fish which lived through ich (which many do without treatment) and an anlayses devoid of scientific method.

 

[saltyputty]

The manuf is just being careful, good markeing IMHO.

Leaving ich alone? That seems to go directly against what most of you on here suggest to every noob that posts having ich.

In any case, I may have had a less virulent strain of ich (or still have it), but this experiece was not relayed here based on a one time treatment, but observations of numerous fish treated in the same manner in other tanks.

I cannot comment on what would have happened if I left the fish with no treatment, but the purple tang did have secondary infections, so I would guess that they would not have made it through - but that is only a guess.

In any case, immunity and immune system boosting FTW IMHO.

I am happy to let this rest now.

BTW - still no ich in the tank.

Cheers.

 

[tmz]

I don't believe that you have treated many other fish this way in many other tanks or can document such activity. I don't believe you have a BS degree or you would understand science a bit more and would know how to present information analyticaly. Further you have a penchant for putting words in other people's mouths such as snake oil and now lelave ich alone which was never said or remotely implied.Frankly I don't believe anything you have said and I know you haven't proven any of it nor supported your position with anything other than self serving opinion.

 

[saltyputty]

Hahah, there you go.

I take it based on your answer that you have not tired Medic, but are dismissing it as something that will not work, because other treatments like it did not work in the past.

That's some good science there buddy.

Since clearly, my input is not appreciated, I will be taking my leave.

Garlic for the win.