My onyx.

[Larry Waughon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10392280#post10392280 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawman
They can be , the coloration will vary depending what generation they are [F1 , F2 , and etc.] Also feeding and lighting plays a big role .

Being local to Rod, I contacted him to hear his thoughts on this subject and here is his reply.

""HI Larry,

Its funny.. I just sent an email to someone else on the subject....

Actually its the genes. Not the light, food or generation. (F1, F2, F3 etc)

Those clowns that OrionN posted are about 6 months. Their great grandparents (Bill Addisons), their grand parents (Morgan Lidsters), their parents (Mine), their older siblings (other hobbyists), have all produce babies that are that dark by the 6-8 month age. Usually pretty black between the 1st and 2nd bars by the 2-3 month age. Sure there are a few that are slower to color, and even some that have lost coloration, but 98% of the clowns produced from that blood-line develop the complete onyx coloration (black dorsal and all) in about a years time. I have attached a pic of some babies that are 10-11 weeks old for comparison.

A few years ago I was frowned upon, or even chastised for trying to discuss the subject of Bill Addisons clowns being different from wild caught clowns. Bill Addison did the work to get the gene to reproduce and he was the one to call them onyx. Therefore, IMO, they should only be called onyx if they carry the gene and can be traced back to Bill Addison. Many folks on the boards call them onyx if they have a lot of black. I am OK with that, but I dont think that the babies should be called onyx unless they show the onyx coloration. I cant post in that thread, but if you would like to post what I have typed, go ahead.

Take care

Rod



Here is the pic that Rod attached to the email of his 10-11 week clowns

 

[MTB]

I have been to Rod's store several times. He does list them at $50 an his site. Edwing, I hope yours turn for you. I haven't owned an onyx yet but hope to have a pair shortly.

 

[edwing206]

Thanks MTB. I like him onyx or not. Hopefully I will get another on today.

 

[Dawman]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10395767#post10395767 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pioneer
Being local to Rod, I contacted him to hear his thoughts on this subject and here is his reply.

""HI Larry,

Its funny.. I just sent an email to someone else on the subject....

Actually its the genes. Not the light, food or generation. (F1, F2, F3 etc)

Those clowns that OrionN posted are about 6 months. Their great grandparents (Bill Addisons), their grand parents (Morgan Lidsters), their parents (Mine), their older siblings (other hobbyists), have all produce babies that are that dark by the 6-8 month age. Usually pretty black between the 1st and 2nd bars by the 2-3 month age. Sure there are a few that are slower to color, and even some that have lost coloration, but 98% of the clowns produced from that blood-line develop the complete onyx coloration (black dorsal and all) in about a years time. I have attached a pic of some babies that are 10-11 weeks old for comparison.

A few years ago I was frowned upon, or even chastised for trying to discuss the subject of Bill Addisons clowns being different from wild caught clowns. Bill Addison did the work to get the gene to reproduce and he was the one to call them onyx. Therefore, IMO, they should only be called onyx if they carry the gene and can be traced back to Bill Addison. Many folks on the boards call them onyx if they have a lot of black. I am OK with that, but I dont think that the babies should be called onyx unless they show the onyx coloration. I cant post in that thread, but if you would like to post what I have typed, go ahead.

Take care

Rod



Here is the pic that Rod attached to the email of his 10-11 week clowns

That was an opinion as I stated there are no facts .

 

[MTB]

Yeah it is easy to get attached to clowns or any fish for that matter. He is a very nice looking clown either way!

 

[ALLBOUTREEF]

I cant tell the difference between those onyx or a tru perc, but they're all very nice fish

 

[edwing206]

I think onyx have more black.

 

[Project Reef]

None of the clowns pictured on this thread are 'Onyx' clowns, at least not yet.

Onyx isn't a species it's just a name given for A. percula clowns once they acheive the complete black coloration in between their bars. It's as simple as that.

It doesn't matter what line or who the clowns came from, if they do not have the complete black coloration in between the bars, they're not 'Onyx'. For now, all the clowns pictured here are still a 'normal' variation of A. percula. Have a little patience, and in a years time (perhas longer) once they develop the complete black coloration in between their bars, they can then be labeled as "Onxy A. percula".

Thus, with that being said, there are no such things as "baby onyx" clowns.

 

[Dawman]

You are far from the truth . When Percula clowns get their black between bars is around adulthood are not considered Onyx Percula Clowns , they are adult Perculas . True Onyx Clowns start getting black when babies as you can see from Rod`s picture and as they grow get more and more black . Unlike adult Percs , Onyx Percs get almost completely black with some to very little orange . I hope rod reads this and posts a pic of an adult he has .


Check out this thread that Casbarian bought Onyx Percula Clowns from Rod . http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=471710

 

[edwing206]

Everybody's entitled to their own opinion.

 

[Project Reef]

Dawman, are you referring to my post as being far from the truth? If so, it would be wise to reread it carefully.

 

[Elmo18]

I would not disagree with PR. Ali knows his stuff!

The photos of the clownfish Edwing posted are "babies from Onyx parents". I know for sure that not all the babies will develop and mature to become Onyx like their parents. I am also very sure than Rod's Onyx is very special. Their black coloration does get in faster.

It is true that there isn't any "Onyx babies", just "babies from Onyx parents". I just hope I didn't mislead anyone, or if I did, I apologize. I'm hoping some will at least turn Onyx in a couple years.

Best,
Ilham

 

[Baalz]

I have an Ocellaris clown that was born black to Orange parents. Only one out of 10s of thousands of Ocellaris raised..

So can I call this an Ebony Ocellaris? Or is it still just an Ocellaris?

 

[costeroma]

Very nice

Very nice

That anemone is really good looking. I wish mine was like that.

 

[Project Reef]

Baalz, I remember that. That was definitely a freak of nature. Did that little guy pull through?

 

[edwing206]

Re: Very nice

Re: Very nice

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10410207#post10410207 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by costeroma
That anemone is really good looking. I wish mine was like that.

Thanks! I just wish my bta was doing as well. But he's getting better.

 

[pezcubano]

I'm looking into a pair of Onyx and wanted to hear a little more about temperment. I'm purposely avoiding Maroons/Tomatoes and other aggresive clowns as I'm not looking for aggressive fish for my tank.
Are the Onyx personality traits similar to True Percs??? Any details/experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

 

[customanimalart]

I want to know to =)

 

[edwing206]

Mine is very nice, rarely leaves the anemone, eats frozen food. I've only had pink skunks before the current clown(not sure what to call it anymore:lol: ) and they were meaner than this little guy.

 

[Project Reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10412897#post10412897 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pezcubano
Are the Onyx personality traits similar to True Percs???

They are the exact same fish, thus no reason for them to behave any differently. I've had several dozen onyx color variation perculas, I would say 85% of them were mellow and the remaining ranged from fiesty to brutal.