My Prized Muelleri Butterflyfish has bumps all over body

De Los kills fluke eggs and flukes. You could also do a FW dip to determine if there are any flukes on him, they'll come right off after 4 or 5 minutes in FW.
 
tylersarah said:
It's Fish Vet 37% Formaldehyde, I've been following the bottle directions @ 1 drop/gal every other day. If the eggs are on the fish, how do I ever get rid of them?
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And there is the problem:sad2: The marine flukes we, as hobbyists, typically deal with, neobenedenia, lay eggs that hatch within 4-6 days at 25 degrees celsius. So theoretically, you should be able to retreat 6 days later and kill off the larvae before it has time to become an adult and lay its' own eggs.

When you add the drop/gallon every other day are you doing a water change before hand? How long has he been in the bath?
 
caribfan said:
De Los kills fluke eggs and flukes. You could also do a FW dip to determine if there are any flukes on him, they'll come right off after 4 or 5 minutes in FW.
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I purchased some, I'm very intimidated by it. I know it's powerful and will kill flukes, but sometimes it also kills the fish. It's sort of my last resort go to. Have you used it on bff?
 
Newsmyrna80 said:
And there is the problem:sad2: The marine flukes we, as hobbyists, typically deal with, neobenedenia, lay eggs that hatch within 4-6 days at 25 degrees celsius. So theoretically, you should be able to retreat 6 days later and kill off the larvae before it has time to become an adult and lay its' own eggs.

When you add the drop/gallon every other day are you doing a water change before hand? How long has he been in the bath?
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I was doing frequent w/c the first few weeks of formaldehyde treatment because I thought I had ammonia, turns out it was a bad (brand new) Salifert test kit. Only the past 5 days I've been dosing Formalin bi daily with no water changes. I'm not seeing the fish developing any new symptoms, so this may be working. Wondering how long I should continue treatment before I give it a break and see how the fish does?
 
I'd also like to include a special thanks to Newsmyrna80, bnumair, caribfan, HumbleFish & SDguy. When good things go badly I don't want to reinvent the wheel, so thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge with me.

Sarah
 
tylersarah said:
I was doing frequent w/c the first few weeks of formaldehyde treatment because I thought I had ammonia, turns out it was a bad (brand new) Salifert test kit. Only the past 5 days I've been dosing Formalin bi daily with no water changes. I'm not seeing the fish developing any new symptoms, so this may be working. Wondering how long I should continue treatment before I give it a break and see how the fish does?
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How long has Ziggy been in the bath up to this point?
 
Update

Update

Today is day 3 of no meds and Ziggy and the clown are not showing any signs of disease.

SG 1.013
17 days of Prazipro
23 days of Formalin with no break (I originally thought 25, that was an error)

I suppose day 6 will be an important mark as well as 2 weeks. For now, I keep checking for signs of heavy breathing, irritation and ich.
 
I'm leaving the display fallow for 12 weeks because of possible ich, the Muelleri was full of spots the day before the flukes broke out and I never again saw ich like bumps. Now, how do I know the hyposalinity worked for the possible ich? Would a month in qt at 1.025 be sufficient proof the fish does not possess ich? Or does this parasite go incognito and wait to show up at any given time of endured stress? Should I medicate as a preventive? I'm not interested in copper, never have been, never will be. Over-medicating if not necessary doesn't seem viable, but at the same time I don't want to see ich appear after reintroducing the fish to the display. I have not developed an understanding of ich to make the best decision.
 
I had a similar situation to yours. I went hypo 1.09, a few days later heavy breathing on some fish along with pale color. I threw in 15mg/L Quinine sulfate. 6 hours later no heavy breathing and a return of color. The QS has not impacted my biological filters either. Everyone seems much more relaxed.
 
This morning I found a spastic Muelleri in the basement, it's exactly day 4 off Formalin and it seems eggs hatched. For the record, my temp is 78.8F. I don't think the 17 days of Prazipro eradicated anything, for now I consider treatment to have been 23 days of Formalin and that obviously wasn't enough. Any feedback? I could set up a new QT for him to theoretically lose some eggs. I prefer a longer treatment with Formalin to a stressful treatment with De Los.
 
tylersarah said:
This morning I found a spastic Muelleri in the basement, it's exactly day 4 off Formalin and it seems eggs hatched. For the record, my temp is 78.8F. I don't think the 17 days of Prazipro eradicated anything, for now I consider treatment to have been 23 days of Formalin and that obviously wasn't enough. Any feedback? I could set up a new QT for him to theoretically lose some eggs. I prefer a longer treatment with Formalin to a stressful treatment with De Los.
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Sorry about Ziggy...poor guy..these flukes are persistent aren't they:( There are a few regimens you can try. You could try 2 formalin baths 6 days apart. The University of Florida Aquaculture department recommends 250 ppm for 30 minutes. As you know I've been dealing with these parasites as well and this is the regimen I went with since prazi wasn't working. It worked very well on the gobies (I did lower the dose of formalin for them).
Other regimens are doing 2 40 hour prazi baths at 5 mg 48 hours apart. Another regimen is prazi dips for 3 hours at 10 mg every 4 days and putting the fish in a new tank. Of course freshwater dips (can add formalin) done repeatedly are also said to be effective. Also recent research has determined that adding garlic to the tank will prohibit the eggs from hatching. I can send you the links to these protocols if you need..they are on another computer right now.
 
When you treated with Prazipro, was it in conjunction with hyposalinity? If so, I wonder if perhaps the lower SG reduced Prazi's effectiveness.
 
Yes, your guess is as good, if not better than mine.

I think about copper, the salinity is most important, if water evaporates the copper dosage changes and I know things in hypo are different, it took half the recommended dosage of Soda Ash to adjust the pH.
 
Hmmm, I'm not really seeing a spastic fish there. I've seen butterflies with flukes... they dart around the tank, flick/flare their fins a lot, and look really spastic. I just see a fish going back and forth against the glass wanting food.
 
I'm still laughing about the dryer tumbling in the video, did you turn down the volume? :lol:

On to the fish...in comparison to the 1st-3rd days off treatment this behavior is different, I think he's infected but not heavily. He does want food, always, in fact he's not afraid of anything that enters the tank because he thinks blackworms may come out of it like the pipette I use to feed. When I spy on him with the lights off he continually swims like this and I caught him swimming into the powerhead a bit. Normally he gets excited, eats, and relaxes and today he calmed down after dosing Formalin.
 
I still don't think there is an issue. I'd wait... no meds, and see. I have three fish from this genus, and none act any differently than what I saw in your video.
 
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