Mysterious Angel-anyone ID?

Yurivd said:
do you have a photo of the Chaetodontoplus vanderloosi
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copps said:
Yes Chris... thanks to the apparent promiscuity of the Chaetodontoplus genus there are an amazing array of unique specimens!

I have some very cool Chaetodontoplus coming to me next week!

Copps
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I can't wait to see the new Chaetodontolus that you are getting!
 
I mean is this a valid species or another hybrid, John. So many thing in this Genus look unique but aren't genetically as you've pointed out in the past.
Is this a true species or not?

Matthew
 
i have just had a good look and the Chaetodontoplus vanderloos tail is all most completely black
the maze angels tail is yellow
 
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Sheol said:
I mean is this a valid species or another hybrid, John. So many thing in this Genus look unique but aren't genetically as you've pointed out in the past.
Is this a true species or not?

Matthew
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This is a question that cannot really be answered... looking further down the road genetics can help us find out what has happened with this population in the past, but the answer as to whether or not this is a true species will always be a matter of opinion honestly. Genetics can sway the opinion of ichthyologists, but some will always be "lumpers" and some "splitters"... there is no international governing board that makes the call as to what is a species and what isn't, and even if we had the entire genetic code sequenced there would be arguments on either side. Some ichthyologists do not believe C. vanderloosi to be a valid species...

With that said I believe that the fish referenced in this thread (true species or not) is one of the major contributors to the spectacular array of hybrid fishes we see come out of Taiwan... so this fish would be more the "pure bred" contributing to the "mutt" maze and orangeface angels... there are many reasons I think this... the fact that this fish is fairly common in the Philippines and rare in Taiwan, along with the fact that none of the "blueline" genetics are found in the Philippines...

LargeAngels said:
Here is the best picture of mine.

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Beautiful fish as always buddy! Do you have updated photos of that fish now? Has the black gone away in the tail?

Yurivd said:
i have just had a good look and the Chaetodontoplus vanderloos tail is all most completely black
the maze angels tail is yellow
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Only adults have the almost all black tail... juveniles have a yellow tail with black stripe that fills in as the fish ages, much like Chaetodontoplus personifer... convergent evolution? :)
 
Yurivd said:
is Chaetodontoplus dimidiatus the same fish
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No... C. dimidiatus has the ~half grey/half black body of melanosoma with an all yellow tail as an adult like the fish in this thread... it ranges in between melanosoma and vanderloosi in Western Papua New Guinea and Sulawesi...
 
Inconclusive, then? LOL I'd go with where the genes showed my self. Of course, if I had a another tank of proper size, who the heck cares?? Beautiful fish no matter what!

Matthew
 
john do you think the vanderloos , the unknown angel from Philippines and the c grade maze angel is the same fish
 
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