N/P reducing pellets (solid vodka dosing)

[tntneon]

I can't believe I'm the only one that has pointed out this funny from pg 2 -

"I `ve already removed the panty of my wife and puted the pellets dirctly into the drainpipe box."
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-Due to my poor englisch writting , some times something funny pops out my fingers....:lol2:

.... I have 4 Tang's, 3 clowns, 2 firefish, 1 royal grama,1 green cromis, 3 cardinals, 3 wrasse's and 1 diamond gobi and a small clean up crew. I have very high nitrate, about 50 to 70 on a API saltwater master test kit, been doing 35-40 gl water changes about every other week and still have the high nitrates. cut back to feeding 1small sheet of nori and 1 cube of myisis per day. Does anyone have any other ideas? Do you think these N/P pellets will help my situation? thinking about using Seachem de*nitrate. any reply would help...

-You could try them first , before going chemical in my opion , i have very good results with them.
Also 1 cube off mysis a day for so many fishes is really a small feeding , i feed my 2 clowns , blenny and other small fish (don`t know the name in englisch) 2 cube`s in a 30 G system with NO3
=0.1~0.2 ppm and PO4 always steady zero.


greetingzz tntneon

 

[NaClH2Opgh]

I can't believe I'm the only one that has pointed out this funny from pg 2 -

"I `ve already removed the panty of my wife and puted the pellets dirctly into the drainpipe box."

I'm currently running the full Brightwell NeoZeo method. Has anybody substituted the NeoZeo stones and Bio Fuel for the NP Pellets?

Anytime you can get your wife and her panties involved, that's a good thing!:lmao:

 

[teesquare]

I tried this last nite...did not work for me....I got a black eye tho.....

Oh - you meant the pellets....oops.....

T

 

[Rickyrooz1]

I've been running NP Biopellets for two weeks. The colors of the corals have increased dramatically since the addition of the NP Biopellets but the algae is still there and actually has worsened. The skimmate inside the skimmer has darkened and looks almost black. As you can see from this picture of my frag rack the algae has gone nuts. The rocks look clean but where the tangs and snails cannot get to the algae has taken over (aka. the nutrient levels haven't dropped yet with the addition of the Biopellets).

 

[ctmgardea]

Thank you for the info on where to buy!
I have a 180 gl tank with a 10 gl refuge with macro algee, and a 30-35 gl sump with a filter sock. 100-120 lbs live rock about 2 1\2 to 3 inches of substrate. a Vertex in 180 skimmer, 2 MP40's and 1 koraila #4 and 1 koraila #3 in tank for water movement, a Rio 32 Hyper Flow for return pump. I have 4 Tang's, 3 clowns, 2 fire fish, 1 royal grama,1 green cromis, 3 cardinals, 3 wrasse's and 1 diamond gobi and a small clean up crew. I have very high nitrate, about 50 to 70 on a API saltwater master test kit, been doing 35-40 gl water changes about every other week and still have the high nitrates. cut back to feeding 1small sheet of nori and 1 cube of myisis per day. Does anyone have any other ideas? Do you think these N/P pellets will help my situation? thinking about using Seachem de*nitrate. any reply would help.

I am running a Warner Marine phosphate reactor in the system as well. how about my UV sterilizer? will i need to take it off line? if i use the NP pellets,would rather not. also I have a calcium reactor that is not in use yet in the system and ready to start, just need to get my PH stable, going between 7.9 and 8.03 through out the day buffering to get it stable at 8.2.

 

[skibum9884]

my understanding is that you'll want to take the UV off-line at least to start, and after several weeks you can bring it back on. If it's left on to start it can hinder the bacteria starting up.

I was wondering how much flow you guys have going through the biopellets (in a reactor). I'm running mine in a GEO with about 250 gph, and am wondering if this is enough.

 

[tntneon]

my understanding is that you'll want to take the UV off-line at least to start, and after several weeks you can bring it back on. If it's left on to start it can hinder the bacteria starting up.

I was wondering how much flow you guys have going through the biopellets (in a reactor). I'm running mine in a GEO with about 250 gph, and am wondering if this is enough.

+1 , UV will destroy the bacteria that are continuesly relased from the biopellets and destroy the benefits of them , maybe like skibum saids maybe you can try to start the uv back after several weeks but i don`t have experience with it , only heard of no results when both where combined.

- about the GEO , how big is the diameter of this type reactor and what kind of volume of BP`s you have ?

greetingzz tntneon

 

[Bzar]

skibum9884: my brs reactor is currently holding about 800ml and I have a rio 600 (200 gph) dialed just back so I'm thinking about 150 gph through the pellets in that reactor. It's enough to keep the entire bed active, like a large line of people slowly walking into a theatre, not enough to look like a biopellet rave is happening.

 

[GT_Jacket]

skibum

Is that 800ml in BRS's Standard Carbon/GFO reactor that uses the modified 10” Refillable inner cartridge for the media? If so, is 800ml a comfortable maximum capacity for it?

Thanks,
Brett

 

[Bzar]

Yup that's a standard BRS carbon/GFO reactor, and I put the BP in the inner cartrige (just no sponges on top or bottom). With about 800ml I have around 1.5" of space at the top, so I could put a bit more. With the space I can see the pellets top motion. I'll take a video later on and post it.....pics say 1000 words, video say 1,000,000

 

[GT_Jacket]

Bzar - that would be great. I have BRS's 2 stage model (GFO / Carbon). I've taken my GFO offline since I began the full NeoZeo method. I'm thinking of going with the pellets instead of the zeo rocks / bio fuel. 800ml sounds like it would be about right for my 90gal.

 

[jmoney]

I got my brs deluxe reactor...but ups quit on me friday for some reason and I wont be getting my pellets until monday...not cool, Can't wait to see the effects...

Also I know that people have said to have the output placed near where the skimmer will pick it up, but would it really be that detrimental to have the output near the return pump so that the coral can eat all the goodies that come with the effluent

 

[Bzar]

sorry for the video delay. Lent out the camera for a week, wont have it back till the 5th of Feb. When I get it I'll post asap. I'm using the BRS reactor on my 90 Gal....if my system was bigger I'd feel the reactor is a little small, at least with the insert.

 

[DJREEF]

I got my brs deluxe reactor...but ups quit on me friday for some reason and I wont be getting my pellets until monday...not cool, Can't wait to see the effects...

Also I know that people have said to have the output placed near where the skimmer will pick it up, but would it really be that detrimental to have the output near the return pump so that the coral can eat all the goodies that come with the effluent

Only, if in fact the corals do eat it. I don't think this has been proven.


Look, I think in a nutshell, so much is theory


Pellets are a stand in for carbon dosing

Bacteria, presumably the same or some facsimile that feed on ethanol-sugar-vinegar (liquid organic carbon), feed upon the pellets (solid organic carbon)

As they do so, they uptake nitrates and phosphates to fuel and increase their bio-mass

Said bacteria slough from the pellets as a result of brisk agitation of the media and become a part of the bulk water

Bacteria may become a planktonic food stuff for some organisms

They are skimmed out long with the nitrogen and phosphates that have been incorporated in their physical structures

Phosphates and nitrates are reduced in the system, overall as a result of exportation of these bacteria via skimming or consumption by other organisms


DJ

 

[jmoney]

I was just curious i'm gonna try feeding it to the return section first, but i there is an issue with ph then I will move it to the skimmer, although i am ordering a new external beckett skimmer that has a port that is meant for calcium reactor effluent i may just try the same thing with the effluent form this device, so we will see which one works the best i will keep u updated

 

[reggiepe]

Today is day 14. I will do run through some tests this evening of the water paramaters as I am at work now. One of the things that I wanted to mention was that I am getting algae growing on the glass at what seems like twice the rate of before. It seems that a day to a day and a half I have to clean the glass, before it was on the average of 3 days. The other thing I noticed, and I think it has already been mentioned, the skimmers output is crazy, and stink?!?! Good God that stuff stinks. I would assume that this is the excess bacteria in the water as I have the output of the reactor right at the input of the skimmer pump. No detrimental affects of any of the inhabitants. Just a bit more cleaning of the glass is it. So, I would believe that there is still Nitrates and / or phosphates present to allow the algae to grow. Just my observations after 2 weeks.

 

[jmoney]

my pellets are coming in today, I will be using 500ml on a 75 gallon 95 total system volume setup, will be sure to post daily progress shots

 

[solos2]

I've posted part of this idea on another thread and posting it here to spark further discussion of this idea of mine.

I'm currently using 300ml of NPBP in my system, but NPBP aren't the best bacteria housing media, simply because bacteria can only colonize the surface area and I don't think the pellets are that porous.

And unlike vodka dosing, most of the bacteria should only colonize the surface of the pellets as it's where they'll get their food.

So in order to boost the bacteria housing capabilities of the NPBP, I propose of using another media that's more porous than the pellets, in this case, I proposed the use of sugar grain sized coral sand.

The reason why I chose this media is because of the grow of carbon source utilizing bacteria is very fast, in the ZEOvit system, users need to pump the ZEOvit reactor everyday to dislodge some bacteria so that it won't clog up all the surface area of the zeolite media.

In the case of NPBP, the addition of coral sand to the NPBP reactor will probably allow a greater number of bacteria to be housed in the reactor, similar to the black-n-white ball denitrators.

However we may still have the similar problem that zeolite had - bacteria growth clogging all the surface area of the media. In the case of coral sand inside a NPBP reactor, the constant movement may help to dislodge some bacteria, furthermore, it may be possible that the bacteria could alter the local environment such that the pH is lowered and thus the coral sand may slowly dissolve. Eventually more coral sand will need to be added to the reactor, and this will eliminate the need to use a zeolite reactor for the daily pumps.

So to test my theory, I just added some 50-100g of fine grain coral sand into my reactor, it may boost the bacteria housing capability of my NPBP reactor by a few folds, who knows ;p

 

[coffeenut]

ok for 600 gal of water system.. how much of this stuff is needed?
I have never run vodka, sugar, or any thing like this in my system.. i cold use this in the bulk reef sup duel reactor. I saw some one saying 800 ml would fit in the one chamber of the reactor, what do you put in the other?

 

[jmoney]

800ml would not fit in the reactor, I just filled mine up today and 500 Ml fit with just a little bit of room to spare, I had to take out the top sponge to make sure it would fit, and even though i lost a few pellets on the start up its still pretty full