N/P reducing pellets (solid vodka dosing)

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Gelatin is just gelatin; it will be in the grocery store either in the baking aisle or the Jello section--Knox brand is the usual one, which is just plain gelatin. alginate is going to be harder to find, either you can go with a chemical company source or a food source: here's a place you can order it online http://www.willpowder.net/sodiumAlginate.html
 
Thank you Spracklcat.
So basicaly Ultrapac, reef actif and similar bio polymers selled in aquaindustry are just the gelatin or sodium alginate? Did they have more ingredients or that is just the gelatin/sodium alginate? Reason for asking is that I wont to made my own food for corals/sponges.
 
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I have no idea what is in those products (would be interesting to know) but I'd go with a gelatin food over alginate simply because it is easier to make and store.
 
So if I decide to use gelatin as aquarium food what will be best way to use him, only gelatin alone or mixing with some other ingredients? With cyclop eeze for example, vitamins, blendered sea products (fishes,shrimps,shells..), yoghurt .
How some of you use gelatin, how much, how often... ?
Do you think he will be good for sps,lps corals as well or only for sponges or non photosysntetic soft corals?

Any negative efect noticed?
 
Would like to see efects of home made food with gelatin and other ingredients mentioned in this great thread on my Trikentrion flabeliforme.

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This is my favorite invertebrate in my tank, so far (aprox 3 months) she live quite nice without special food besides regular granular/flake food and frozen/dry cyclop eeze, but it will be interesting to find will gellatin, yoghurt ..etc made she even better.
 
eliashickman said:
@bluereefs
Wow your gorgonian is beautiful. Are you using reef pearls?
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Thank you eliashickman, is actually sponge with symbiotic parazoanthus not a gorgonian. Still dont use bio pellets, whaiting for them to ariwe, hopefully in next week they will come.

I just realize you asking for reef pearls, no I dont use them, only invertebrate food are cyclop eeze (frozen or dried) parazoanthus can take all kind of food and most of the time they are feeded with ordinary fish food (when I feed the fishes) or fish waste/organic material from the tank.
 
Greetings All !

That's a very nice Trikentrion sp. sponge with symbiotic azooxanthellate Parazoanthus polyps. Other non-photosynthetic Parazoanthus polyps that are beginning to appear from down under have some pretty wild coloration.


HTH
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Spracklcat said:
Gelatin is just gelatin; it will be in the grocery store either in the baking aisle or the Jello section--Knox brand is the usual one, which is just plain gelatin. alginate is going to be harder to find, either you can go with a chemical company source or a food source: here's a place you can order it online http://www.willpowder.net/sodiumAlginate.html
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I was going to post that link myslef. I cook for a living and the new "molecular gastronomy" movement has many cooks / chefs purchasing alginates for food experimentation.

I believe that the alginates would be better for our tanks in that the alginates are extracted from various seaweeds as opposed to grocery store gelatin whose ingreditents are a byproduct of the meat processing industry.

The willpowder website is about the most cost effective place to obtain alginates. A hobbyist could google molecular gastronomy supplies or sodiim alginate and possibly obtain other sources but above listed site has the product in quantities and pricing that are more reasonable.

It would also be interesting to incorporate the sodium alginate with the blue coral "pappone" method of feeding corals ?
 
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So if I decide to use gelatin as aquarium food what will be best way to use him, only gelatin alone or mixing with some other ingredients? With cyclop eeze for example, vitamins, blendered sea products (fishes,shrimps,shells..), yoghurt .
How some of you use gelatin, how much, how often... ?
Do you think he will be good for sps,lps corals as well or only for sponges or non photosysntetic soft corals?

Any negative efect noticed?
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Do a search for blue coral pappone coral feeding and you should find more information..
 
Personaly I think this discusion is related because BP biggest advantage are posibillity to keep non photosyntetic animals who require loots of various food. Maybe in this thread we can get many type of informations, bio pellets potential in removing pollutans who come from heavy feeding, bio pellets potential in providing bacterial food for those animals and new informations about new kind of food for those animals. It look to me that people who are involved in bio pellets production/testing are in same time involved in this new field: keeping dificult non photosyntetic animals.
 
bluereefs said:
Personaly I think this discusion is related because BP biggest advantage are posibillity to keep non photosyntetic animals who require loots of various food. Maybe in this thread we can get many type of informations, bio pellets potential in removing pollutans who come from heavy feeding, bio pellets potential in providing bacterial food for those animals and new informations about new kind of food for those animals. It look to me that people who are involved in bio pellets production/testing are in same time involved in this new field: keeping dificult non photosyntetic animals.
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I kind of agree with bluereef. When I first came upon this thread I looked at this solely as a replacement for vodka dosing, did the math and dismissed it. When I saw the tanks and the diverse livestock that you guys are keeping I started to look at BP's as a food source also. I will definitely consider using these along with vodka dosing if it means I can keep a full blown reef. I have sps,lps,and clams but would love keeping some of the specimens I have seen in this thread. JMO
 
NaClH2Opgh said:
I kind of agree with bluereef. When I first came upon this thread I looked at this solely as a replacement for vodka dosing, did the math and dismissed it. When I saw the tanks and the diverse livestock that you guys are keeping I started to look at BP's as a food source also. I will definitely consider using these along with vodka dosing if it means I can keep a full blown reef. I have sps,lps,and clams but would love keeping some of the specimens I have seen in this thread. JMO
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I can't keep you from posting, but you're off topic. Its an interesting topic, one I'm sure others would like to find but won't if its buried here. Just start another thread on alginates and gelatin. I think you'll attract more new posters.

I have my biopellets in my canister but I'm not sure what to look for. I have a feather duster that's ailing, so I hope the bacteria is a viable food source. My nitrates are 0 and phosphates 0.01 so I don't know what improvement I can get. I still have hair algae, so seeing it go would be a good sign.

Adding the pellets to the skimmer didn't work, the skimmer doesn't have a way to keep the pellets from getting sucked into the pump. I'd have to do a mod to the skimmer to get it to work. I'll have to take a harder look at it.
 
so how do you feed sodium alginate to corals, i'm confused as i've used this product before, do you turn it into jello and then drop cubes into your tank??? or do you mix it up into liquid and drop it into your tank? some info would be cool as this stuff is not very expensive, what are the instructions and processes.
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For those interested, I am going to start a new thread on alginates in the reef chemistry forum to continue this very interesting conversation.
 
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