naso tang gill issue

avandss

avandss

I'm hooked
here is the original thread
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2445503

i am making a new thread as this is a new problem.

Hedgedrew helped me cure the head problem. as i was getting ready to tranfer him to my DT i noticed something new, near the left gill at the edge of it there is little lumps, i am stumped as i have not found anything that looks like this

i would need some help. this is his last chance.

i can post more pics, but he is camera shy.


PICTURES OF 2 WEEKS AGO. when i think it was begining


 
Not sure but could it be an anchor worm of some sort? I know also that gill maggots that attach to the gills but not sure if they common in saltwater fish.
 
Looks bacterial to me, but that would be very surprising considering all of the medication that he has been through at this point.
 
he got a full spectrum of antibiotics, maybe his immune system is shot and he is prone to reinfection?
 
That may be the case, but even if it were, through the treatments you've given him, there ought to be no bacterial infection present.

I'm honestly at a loss to why you have so many issues with your fish. Is the medication regiment and TTM stressing the immune system and bringing the issues out? Because I myself have now gone through a successful QT with fish from the store, and am in the middle of three more QTs, with no signs of any issue as of yet.

I know many others who don't QT at all and have no reported issues with their fish after years.

This is something we should investigate further.

This is by no means an endorsement of those who do not QT, by the way, I believe all fish should be quarantined properly, but I'm putting it out there that this is a bizarre happenstance.
 
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ttm is definitely not stressful if done right. pyramids are notoriously hard to keep, and this poor naso had a very sick tank mate that i believe screwed up his immune system, he might also have cyanide in his system depending on how he was trapped (again affecting his immune system), all this is bad luck indeed, also you can have success without a proper qt procedure however the day you get something nasty like brook or marine velvet... game over.

ttm is done by most with great success and is definitely less stressful on fish then copper. prazipro is the only med that i prophylactically dose with or without any signs of flukes.
 
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying you're stressing them out or implying what you're doing is wrong. I think you have 100% done everything you could possible do and done it as correctly as anyone is capable of doing it, and done the safest thing at every turn for the health of your fish. If every one of my clients was as diligent and careful as you are, I'd be a happy man.

I'm just astounded and want to help you through this. I try to investigate all possible answers to the question at hand.

I think you're right however. I am by no means a veterinarian or marine biologist, but I think the most likely scenario here is that he is immuno-compromised. But the question remains, then, if his immune system is compromised, how did he get another infection? Was it present in his system and your broad spectrum antibiotics did not work? I find that difficult to believe if he went through the full dose (as I know he did).

Of course, none of that really helps with the situation at hand. I'm afraid that you may have to send him through another round of antibiotics.
 
I'd wait and see if it heals itself. Has the fish ever seen formalin? I have a theory based on experiences with my fish that formalin compromises the immune system causing reoccurring infection/disease. In fact, none of my formalin treated fish lived for more than 14 months after treatment.
 
Yes he did. All this started after formalin.

I had done a long term
25ppm bath to cure brook on his tankmate (hippo) however I had to run cut it short as he was not compatible with formalin
 
tylersarah said:
I'd wait and see if it heals itself. Has the fish ever seen formalin? I have a theory based on experiences with my fish that formalin compromises the immune system causing reoccurring infection/disease. In fact, none of my formalin treated fish lived for more than 14 months after treatment.
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How did you do your bath? Ppm? Duration? Bath intervals?
 
tylersarah said:
I'd wait and see if it heals itself. Has the fish ever seen formalin? I have a theory based on experiences with my fish that formalin compromises the immune system causing reoccurring infection/disease. In fact, none of my formalin treated fish lived for more than 14 months after treatment.
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A very interesting theory which has some promise. I have at least one fish that is five years a survivor post formalin. However the one exception does not disprove the general rule.
 
avandss said:
How did you do your bath? Ppm? Duration? Bath intervals?
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I treated in QT per the directions for Formalin-MS - 2 drops/gal every other day until control is achieved (~2wks). I suppose if I dipped myself in formalin for nearly 2 wks I wouldn't live very long either. Which brings me to share this caution:

*REMEMBER to wear arm length gloves when working in QT tanks!*
These compounds are proven carcinogenic, cause biochemical or cellular level changes, endocrine disruption and neurotoxicity.
Additionally, if you own the product DE LOS, save yourself, just throw it out.

The naso would heal best in the display, assuming it's just an infection.

Sarah
 
I think I'm with Sarah on this one. (She's also 100% right about de-los from personal experience)

If it were me, I think I would. I don't think more antibiotics are going to do anything at this point.
 
Deinonych said:
+1

De-Los is nasty stuff (trichlorfon, an organophosphate). I'd never put that in my tank, no matter how effective it might be.
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Agreed, actually chris warned me about this one

You might not put any delos in your tank, but would you put this naso? :)
 
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