Need Help!! Very sick 10" Mata Tang

Curt2199

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I have a 125g QT system that had a few fish doing well. I had been running Chloroquine Phosphate because I had a flame angel as well as a few other more sensitive fish. I had a disease breakout from no symptoms to full blown with fish dying within 24-36 hours. The only thing that had changed was that I added a large 10" Mata Tang that I bought from another person. I noticed crypto cysts on him after I added him but they were gone in a couple days and he was looking better. Fast forward a week and I have lost 4 fish including 3 nice tangs and a large moorish idol (that was eating well). ImageUploadedByTapatalk1411914282.825392.jpgImageUploadedByTapatalk1411914294.408601.jpg

The mata tang is of most concern now because he is show size and I paid $$ for him. The symptoms of the disease were like crypto, velvet, and black ich. It's possible that there are multiple infections here. I immediately did a 50% water change when I caught it and then siphoned the tank to the drain, letting the topoff continually fill it until I had dropped the salinity to 1.012-13 to help with oxygen and parasite concentrations. I then dosed prazi pro followed by cupramine and I believe I have gotten the concentration to around 0.25-0.35 however I have lost my color chart. I'm attaching a pic of the last test if someone could help me confirm the level. The Mata has been shedding slime for the past 3 days now and had cysts all over him. He appears to have a thick layer that is shedding and I'm not sure what disease this is consistent with.

Any help would be appreciated. He is now 2 days on cupramine and although he looks horrible he is actually swimming around now compared to hovering at the bottom like yesterday. He is still breathing rapidly.
 
The Mata has been shedding slime for the past 3 days now and had cysts all over him. He appears to have a thick layer that is shedding and I'm not sure what disease this is consistent with.

Any help would be appreciated. He is now 2 days on cupramine and although he looks horrible he is actually swimming around now compared to hovering at the bottom like yesterday. He is still breathing rapidly.

IMO; this could be Velvet, Brook or Uronema. If the cysts are tiny and gold colored, I would suspect velvet. But severe "shedding" is more consistent with brook. You might want to give him a formalin bath to see if that provides any temporary relief (useful for both brook & velvet). In his stickies, snorvich talks about using acriflavine and metronidazole as treatment options for brook... but I have no personal experience. Just formalin baths. I've included links to the stickies below:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2388424

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2388437
 
After more reading I'm also wondering if this was fungal. The fact that he is out swimming today makes me think the cupramine and Prazi pro are helping. If this was brook then it sounds like he would be progressively worse today. I'm concerned that catching him and giving him a formalin bath may do more harm than help as this point. Every fish I've ever pulled and given a freshwater dip has died, maybe too far gone.
 
This is right now. I'm watching him on an IP cam. Yesterday he didn't move from the bottom left of the tank.ImageUploadedByTapatalk1411934983.963907.jpg
 
Fungus is pretty rare in SW fish. If he's improving, then it could be velvet as copper treats that.
 
I can seem to find that locally and not sure if it can be mixed with cupramine. I'd like to diagnose this for sure before I start more treatments.
 
Need Help!! Very sick 10" Mata Tang

I can seem to find that locally and not sure if it can be mixed with cupramine. I'd like to diagnose this for sure before I start more treatments.


Yeah, mixing meds is not a good idea unless if the manufacture says it's okay. You may want to consider a comprehensive med like paraguard.
 
Ok, I can't believe it but the guy is a fighter. I want to do everything I can to help him.

I found him on his side this morning breathing rapidly. I assumed he would be gone within a couple hours but just had the girlfriend check on him and he's out swimming. He clearly has some erosion and looks like some areas where flesh is showing through. The only thing that has changed since yesterday is dosing Oxytetracyclin (had to use the cattle version from farm and fleet) last night and then I did a water change shortly after because he seemed to be having adverse reactions to it however some is still in the water. I did the water change and got the salinity down to around 1.010. I'm stopping by the LFS soon and am going to get a good antibiotic.

I'm assuming because the flesh is showing, he couldn't take a formalin bath and I assume that anything containing formalin would be out?

I just took a video, you can clearly see the skin being eaten away exposing flesh. I'm really leaning towards something bacterial at this point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRmko_E-U4E&feature=youtu.be
 
Need Help!! Very sick 10" Mata Tang

That's what I was thinking. In fact I was concerned that I may have contracted it myself but that doesn't seem to be the case.
This morning has been very positive! He looks horrible but I went downstairs to find him swimming around without stopping to lay in the bottom and rest. The antibiotics are definitely working. I stopped again last night and picked up erythromycin to combine with the triple sulfa and have gram negative and gram positive antibiotics in there. I attempted a little food this morning and he wasn't interested but I know it's early. His breathing has definitely slowed which is a huge positive.
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Here's an update:

Rick is doing awesome. He's eating like a pig again (loves chopped octopus and NLS pellets) and his skin is growing back over the exposed areas. I've also got salinity up to 1.017 now and am preparing to introduce him to my 700g to finish his healing. I feel that he'll continue to heal at a faster rate given more space vs keeping him in a 55g.

So just for the record if anyone else runs into this, a week-long treatment of both Triple Sulfa and Orythromycin did the trick!
 
Here's an update:

Rick is doing awesome. He's eating like a pig again (loves chopped octopus and NLS pellets) and his skin is growing back over the exposed areas. I've also got salinity up to 1.017 now and am preparing to introduce him to my 700g to finish his healing. I feel that he'll continue to heal at a faster rate given more space vs keeping him in a 55g.

So just for the record if anyone else runs into this, a week-long treatment of both Triple Sulfa and Orythromycin did the trick!

Awesome job.. I would not return him to your display yet not until he recovers 100 percent just as a precaution what he had does not get any other fish sick
 
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