New acro worm parasite

That raises the question as to whose filaments they are. I didn't spend a lot of time looking at it, but the ones on the ORA Yellow Fuzzy that had the encounter with the favia appeared to be along the margin of sickly looking tissue and exposed skeleton. That leads me to believe that they are still soldiers of the favias that are continuing their work.

The majority of the ones I saw on the stag were in or around a polyp like the picture I took of the P-shaped one - ok, so far nothing abnormal there. The first ones I noticed on the stag were moving around inside one of the skeletal cavities where the tissue had opened up. So here you have degenerated deformed coral structure in the presence of potentially aggressive digestive filaments. I put 2 and 2 together and get a pretty definitive 4.

I'd buy that a frag laying on a large favia would easily fall victim to a vomit attack. One would think that if the assaulted coral was moved to a safe place that it wouldn't still be getting eaten alive by the original filaments a week or two later.

Can they really last that long and do so much damage in relatively small numbers?

If the coral is weakened and doesn't recover quick enough, can a couple of this filaments finish it off?

Assuming for the sake of argument that the two corals' situations which exhibit the same filament presence are totally unrelated, the stag's lesions are either sites of attack of another coral's mfs or the result of it's own mfs digesting itself. This is also assuming that mfs are responsible for the degeneration which is probably a safe bet since that's what they do and I've seen them in the degenerated cavities.

Assuming that these things have a finite effective lifetime, isolating the affected corals should give them the best chance for waiting out the remaining assault and recovering....assuming they aren't being liquefied by their own mfs, which sounds much less likely.

I wish I had looked at the Yellow Fuzzy a little more to see where those filaments were attached - at a polyp or out in the general tissue.

I haven't seen anything that says they can or cannot be "spit" from one coral to another, becoming free-floating to attack at will. They are different from sweeper tentacles though. I vaguely recall having to reposition the stag a week or so ago because it shifted but I don't think it fell enough that it was actually touching another coral. I'm not 100% sure though but they had to get there somehow. The closest coral, another acro, was about 3 inches away.
 
dreaminmel--

Did you see the movie I posted above? Those are detached. They actually kept moving for about 14 hours post separation (until they have wrapped themselves up so tightly that they couldn't move any longer). Mostly the corals keep them attached (I had a hard time removing the section that I removed) from what I can tell. Why give up the chance of a meal of yummy coral flesh, after all? :)

jbundas--

I would assume that the filaments that you are still seeing is the coral with its defenses up waiting for another attack. After all, the coral doesn't know that you moved the attacker away. They should go away over time.

You are correct, these are not sweeper tentacles. Sweepers are, well, tentacles and these are coral guts.

I think you'll be fine if you just wait it out. Good luck!
 
I didn't see it. I'll have to try at home as I cannot put Quicktime on the work computer to view it without corporate giving me a lashing. =)

I've seen filaments before... I've just never seen any of mine detach from the actual coral. Usually they just attack and kill all coralline surrounding the growing acro base and then retreat once the coral is satisfied the base is big enough for an upward growth.
 
I haven't been able to find anything about filaments voluntarily detaching. My separated ones probably became so from my poking, prodding, pulling, etc.

The ones I saw in and around the tissue openings could very well have been from neighboring polyps, extending below the coral tissue.

The mystery is still what's causing the skeletal deformation/decalcification that's shown in the first few pictures of this thread. It sounds like even mesenterial filament attacks just cause surface tissue death, not skeletal degeneration below the tissue, which is what it looks like is happening here.
 
A couple of posibilities could be the swinging of your alkalinity or may be even some toxic allophaty created by other corals in the aquarium specially if you have some softies.
 
I've been resolving the Ca and Alk issue as well as getting ready for a water change - probably happening this weekend. The alk did drop from about 9 dKH to 5.5 over the course of 2 weeks before I tested it and noticed my CO2 was off. Maybe that was enough to trip the coral and throw off it's internal chemistry causing the skeleton to break down. If that's the case, I should see some improvement or at least no more progression.

No softies in the tank other than a couple ricordia mushrooms hanging out in the overflow. The thought of throwing in some carbon did cross my mind as I haven't run any in a month or so....can hurt.
 
I generally check the pH and temp daily when I look at the Aqua Controller. Typical swing is 8.1-8.3 ish. I recall seeing a 7.95 one morning but that's as low as I noticed it. I may check the log to see if there were any other big variations....provided it still has data from back then. Either way, at last check the alk was up to around 8 dKH.
 
Thanks for posting this! If I was you, I would contact Borneman and send him a specimen. He can help get an ID if we can keep the parasite alive.

Any idea where the coral was collected from?
 
It's not a parasite. It's coral guts. Completely natural--they extrude them when they feel threatened in order to try to digest whatever is attacking them. It's actually not a great idea to pull them off of the coral as it opens them up to infections.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10091434#post10091434 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by "Umm, fish?"
It's not a parasite. It's coral guts. Completely natural--they extrude them when they feel threatened in order to try to digest whatever is attacking them. It's actually not a great idea to pull them off of the coral as it opens them up to infections.

Do Acropora have them as large as in the photos jbundas has posted?
 
I guess. I saw some pretty long ones on one of my acros. The photo that I posted on page 2 was from an Acanthastrea. They're evil. That one was completely devouring an Acro frag that I had placed too close.
 
If it's a worm do you think that Flatworm exit might have an effect on it...I mean, this worm is one scary bugger...Try FWE the next time, let us know if you see any results. Also I LOVED the pics...very dedicated piece of work...thanks and please keep us informed of any new developments...I'll be watching this thread closely.
 
I had these devour half my echino collection, some favias, scolys and a number of other lps. I tried dips, peroxides, freshwater dips you name. Finally found something that works. Interceptor knocked everything out. Stuff started expanding 2 days later and within a week was regrowing.
 
What Cato said! :)

To put it another way, from Charles Delbeek:

I Mesenterial Filaments

Mesenterial filaments, the coral's digestive organs, can be used quite effectively as aggressive structures. When two hard corals come into contact (either different species or the same) one of them, the aggressor, will extrude mesenterial filaments through the mouth cavity or the body wall, onto the surface of the other, literally digesting it's tissue. This results in a zone of naked skeleton that can then be overgrown (Sebens and Miles, 1988). This zone can be overgrown by the attacking coral or it can be colonized by encrusting organisms, thereby creating a "buffer zone" between the two species (Huston, 1985).

From here: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~delbeek/reefaq6.html

Honestly, I don't think it's merely an aggressor/submitter sort of thing. I think both of the corals can send them out in a sort of "digest-off" to see who can eat the other first.
 
ReefMonger--Your links didn't work for some reason. If what you saw were mesenterial filaments then they were likely attached to the echinos and couldn't have been the problem. But, if something was attacking the echinos then they would extrude their mesenterials to try to defend against it. If Intercepter cleared up the problem, then it cleared up whatever was attacking the corals and they no longer needed to extend their mesenterials.

Yes, corals will extend mesenterials when they feel threatened. No, they don't normally detach them (they are, essentially, the coral's intestines). So, unless two corals are within a couple of inches of each other, the mesenterials will not do any damage.

Now, it's also possible that you saw a worm predator. But if you did then you didn't see mesenterials (or, if you did it was just that you saw them, too; they are not worms).
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10093736#post10093736 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefMonger
I had these devour half my echino collection, some favias, scolys and a number of other lps. I tried dips, peroxides, freshwater dips you name. Finally found something that works. Interceptor knocked everything out. Stuff started expanding 2 days later and within a week was regrowing.
Contrary to general belief, red bugs also plague LPS corals. About a year ago when I detected red bughs in my acros I made the full treatment with interceptor at the recommended dose, while the sps were cleared the bugs kept reapearing. Some months later I read a post (which was much ridiculized) by someoe suspecting his euphilias were laden with bugs.
I took a good magnifying glass and sure thing I found my euphylias and torch corals plagued with red bugs.
I had to treat them outside the tank with a large dose (about 30 times the recommended) and for 12 hours to fuly get rid of the bugs on them.
Since then (about eight months ago) the bugs have not reapeared.
In summary seems that if interceptor was a solution my best guess is that the bugs were on your LPS and the filaments were a kind of defensive reaction. Not really parasitic worms.
 
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