New angels - cupramine?

[impur]

I was thinking of those white ceramic things, like this:

http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4136+18355&pcatid=18355

 

[impur]

After some more research it looks like any sort of ammonia absorber turns the cupramine toxic, so i'm not going to go that route.

My new plan: move the fish into the 20L tonight and continue to monitor them and ammonia until saturday. I will then do a large WC to remove as much ammonia as I can, and begin the cupramine treatment. Since ammonia levels did not rise until the 3rd day in the 10gal, i think i should be able to go a week i the 20L. Then i'll do another WC, and redose the cupramine to recommended levels for the 2nd week.

 

[blface]

I had success using Seachem's Stability with a sponge filter. I always keep one in my main tanks sump for an emergency QT set up.

 

[snorvich]

Overall I am not a fan of treating with anything unless I see a reason to do so. For me, the only exception would be Prazipro -- flukes and dwarf angels seem to go hand and hand.

Agreed.

 

[impur]

I had success using Seachem's Stability with a sponge filter. I always keep one in my main tanks sump for an emergency QT set up.

Did you use Stability in conjunction with cupramine?

Agreed.

While i want to do nothing else but put these guys in my display right away, i'll never do so right after purchase again. Having been thru catching 6 fish in a fully stocked display due to an ich outbreak and losing 3 of them to the parasite, I won't ever add a fish again without treating.

 

[blface]

Did you use Stability in conjunction with cupramine?

Yes I've used Stability, Cupramine, & Prazipro together without any issues.

 

[Angel*Fish]

I don't know that they aren't sensitive to cupramine - maybe it varies among the different species. I've never had an angel present with ich and if it did I'd not be inclined to put one through cupramine treatment.

What I do personally see is internal parasites. I always give them some anti-worming treatment. If you can get them to eat it, you can use Jungle Anti parasitic Fish Food or soak their food in Gel Tek Ultra Cure PX. They both have praziquantel and some other ingredients to treat a broader range of parasites. This even can be done in the display tank, but you must keep track of the food. Repeat after 6 days.

 

[geaux xman]

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I treat all my fish with copper for 30-45 days and 2 rounds of prazi pro.

i think this guy knows what he is talking about...

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1428332&page=21

 

[impur]

Awesome thanks for the info guys, much appreciated.

I got home last night and finished making up water for the 20L along with about 5gal from my display, got the tank in place, brought to temp to match the 10gal, and then put 1gal from the 10gal in a bucket with the angels. After a bit I added 1gal from the 20L and let them acclimate for 45-1hr, then put them in the 20L and went to bed. I woke up to the Cherub dead and the Potters breathing fast but swimming normally. I added an airstone and checked ammonia, salinity, temp and all checked out normal. The Potters took a few flakes of food, but i'm worried about the fast breathing. The only thing I can think that I might have done wrong was not adding more water to the bucket during the acclimation. They were so lively last night when i got home, ate like pigs. Makes me wish I had just put them into the display from the start, but then again I'd probably be trying to net all 5 fish and have to go thru this whole process again in a few weeks with my luck lol

 

[Angel*Fish]

That's rough - good luck with the Potter's. I assume you know that Potter's angels like the tank temp on the low side (70-72). Some people recommend taking the salinity down some to reduce stress on the fish - to allow his energies to be used on fighting disease. If you do that remember going back up is very dangerous - has to be done with extreme care. (And look up procedures on lowering it, also).

Like Large angels said, don't expose that fish to any more ammonia. Good luck

 

[geaux xman]

technical question..

when water evaporates, does the copper evaporate with it too? thus when adding top-off water, it dilutes the copper level.

or should the top-off water copper level be around .5 to keep the copper level in the QT tank constant?

the difference is probably very minimal. i'm just curious.